Sure, but John was just saying that the ONLY criminal lies should be lying
under oath or perjury (isn't that redundant?). He didn't preclude fraud.

-Kevin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:18 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Constitution, we don't need no stinking Constitution
>
>
> Well that would fall under fraud, no?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:03 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Constitution, we don't need no stinking Constitution
>
>
> How about the "sinking of the Maine" or the Gulf of Tonkin? Those resulted
> in some rather devastating messes.
>
> -Kevin
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:23 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Constitution, we don't need no stinking Constitution
> >
> >
> > I think the only lying which should be a crime is the lying
> under oath, or
> > perjury. Other than that, if you can make a libel case stick
> than I say go
> > for it, otherwise if I wanna walk around saying I caught a 45 pound
> > steelhead using nothing but a tootsie roll and my incredible
> charm, then I
> > should be able to. Do you agree?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:15 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Constitution, we don't need no stinking Constitution
> >
> >
> > Well the fire issue is more related to the fear and chaos that such a
> > pronouncement could cause.  I mean If I say the sky is green and
> > it's really
> > blue should I be arrested?  No, but lying about things is
> already against
> > the law in some ways.  Ummmm false crime reporting, libel,
> there are some
> > things.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:01 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Constitution, we don't need no stinking Constitution
> >
> >
> > Is lying protected by the Constitution?  Of course, you have the right
> > to express your opinion, but you can't yell "Fire" in a crowded theater,
> > which of course would be lying.
> >
> > I'm not saying I support this ordance, just wondering about the actual
> > legal ramifications.
> >
> > Matthew Small
> > IT Supervisor
> > Showstopper National Dance Competitions
> > 3660 Old Kings Hwy
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> > 843-357-1847
> > http://www.showstopperonline.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:55 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Constitution, we don't need no stinking Constitution
> >
> > http://www.startribune.com/stories/1451/3788172.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 
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