I have to back Larry on this one (it's the end of the world as we know it.........)
Those guys seriously f-ed up. Their commanders stepped on it too. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:18 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: FW: An apology to the U.S....... How about wanton disregard for orders. They were ordered not to launch. The location was not a combat area, it was a fricking training area for pity's sake. The pilot who launched the JDAMS was a john wayne type. He ignored 2 separate orders to checkfire. Ordinary incident of friendly fire can almost be understandable the wrong guy at point X at the wrong time. I read the available reports from both the investigations - US and Canadian. There were many egregious errors in the Command and Control System. It isn't a matter of whining, its a matter of being pissed off at the imcompetence of it. larry At 10:30 AM 4/2/2003, you wrote: >ok this is one thing I am annoyed at the whiney ass people who whine when FF >happens. > >Listen its combat its a mistake it happens you don't throw two good people >in jail because of it. If 2 Canadians did the same things to Americans we >would probably cry out and do the same thing. But its not right...combat is >combat it happens it sucks move on. Unless you do what that 101st prick did >to his own unit or if he did it to friendlies like the UK etc, then its an >accident that's terrible. Its a system fault not a personal fault, just like >medical mistakes, the majority are faulty system not faulty people. Fix the >problems with whatever system let a FF incident happen and quit the gosh >darned bitching and complaining about it. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:23 AM >Subject: Re: FW: An apology to the U.S....... > > >It it then my what are those ships doing in the Gulf and the Red Sea? Mmy >my my, they must be on a long pleasure cruise, stopping and searching all >those nasty middle eastern ship for tickles and grins. Similarly those >Canadian soldier must just be on a long extended hike in Afghanistan. Just >like those ones that got bombed by those 2 incompetent pilots. > >Yessiree all those soldiers, sailors etc just off on a long vacation. > >Pardon my sarcasm as a whole but your response merited it. > >At 09:46 AM 4/2/2003, you wrote: > >Larry, that is BS. > > > >Canada as a whole, and the elected Gov in particular, have been _very_ > >clear in their feelings and participation in this war. > > > >If they could (in their own good concience) let us hang by withdrawing > >their forces in these other areas, I think they would. > > > >They are _not_ participating in this war. > > > >Unless you are saying that this war = the war on terrorism, then obviously > >the Canadians are helping in that bigger war. > > > >But at least they are not (like the French and Germans) actively opposing > >us in this war. > > > >Just my opinion, > >Jerry Johnson > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/02/03 08:45AM >>> > >Typically Canadian but very apt. > > > >One point that has been pissing me off. I'm hearing whiny complaints by > >various people in the area about Canada's participation in the Iraqi War. > >Yes Canadian forces as a whole are not participating. However to set the > >record straight, there are 7 ships from the Canadian navy in the region > >(the Red Sea and the Gulf) participating in the anti-terrorism patrols - > >freeing up US navy assets btw. There is also another Canadian battalion is > >heading over to Afghanistan, while special operations units, such as the > >JTF2 are also working with US forces in that theater. > > > >So do me a favour, cut the bs about Canada's non-participation. > > > >larry > > > >At 05:11 AM 4/2/2003 +0000, you wrote: > > >Cute. Very cute. > > >And quite smug. > > >I enjoyed it, even while feeling insulted. > > >:-) > > > > > >-Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Came across this today, written by Rick Mercer: > > > > > > > > > > > >On behalf of Canadians everywhere I'd like to offer an apology to > > > > > >the United States of America. We haven't been getting along very > > > > > >well recently and for that, I am truly sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm sorry we called George Bush a moron. He is a moron but, it > > > > > >wasn't nice of us to point it out. If it's any consolation, the >fact > > > > > >that he's a moron shouldn't reflect poorly on the people of >America. > > > > > >After all it's not like you actually elected him. > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm sorry about our softwood lumber. Just because we have more >trees > > > > > >than you doesn't give us the right to sell you lumber that's >cheaper > > > > > >and better than your own. > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm sorry we beat you in Olympic hockey. In our defense I guess >our > > > > > >excuse would be that our teams were much, much, much, much better > > > > > >than yours. > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm sorry we burnt down your white house during the war of 1812. I > > > > > >notice you've rebuilt it! It's Very Nice. I'm sorry about your > > > > > >beer. I know we had nothing to do with your beer but, we Feel your > > > > > >Pain. > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm sorry about our waffling on Iraq. I mean, when you're going > > > > > >up against a crazed dictator, you wanna have your friends by your > > > > > >side. I realize it took more than two years before you guys >pitched > > > > > >in against Hitler, But that was different. Everyone knew he had > > > > > >weapons. > > > > > > > > > > > >And finally on behalf of all Canadians, I'm sorry that we > > > > > >are constantly apologizing for things in a passive aggressive way > > > > > >which is really a thinly veiled criticism. I sincerely hope that > > > > > >you're not upset over this. We've seen what you do to countries >you > > > > > >get upset with. > > > > > > > > > > > >Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89 70.5
