I assumed the line monster got it.

What ever happened to that poor beast? It must be starving by now.

I am going to have to contact PETLM

Jerry Johnson

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/02/03 11:45AM >>>
It would really help if I included the URL now wouldn't it.

http://www.vcds.dnd.ca/boi/intro_e.asp 

There are times bashing my head into a brick wall makes a lot more sense 
than what I'm doing today.

larry


At 11:42 AM 4/2/2003, you wrote:
>Before I forget, here's the Canadian military's report on the incident. I
>have not located the recommendations of the Air Force board yet.
>
>larry
>
>At 11:25 AM 4/2/2003, you wrote:
> >I have to back Larry on this one (it's the end of the world as we know
> >it.........)
> >
> >Those guys seriously f-ed up.  Their commanders stepped on it too.
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:18 AM
> >To: CF-Community
> >Subject: Re: FW: An apology to the U.S.......
> >
> >
> >How about wanton disregard for orders. They were ordered not to launch. The
> >location was not a combat area, it was a fricking training area for pity's
> >sake. The pilot who launched the JDAMS was a john wayne type. He ignored 2
> >separate orders to checkfire.
> >
> >Ordinary incident of friendly fire can almost be understandable the wrong
> >guy at point X at the wrong time. I read the available reports from both
> >the investigations - US and Canadian. There were many egregious errors in
> >the Command and Control System. It isn't a matter of whining, its a matter
> >of being pissed off at the imcompetence of it.
> >
> >larry
> >
> >At 10:30 AM 4/2/2003, you wrote:
> > >ok this is one thing I am annoyed at the whiney ass people who whine when
> >FF
> > >happens.
> > >
> > >Listen its combat its a mistake it happens you don't throw two good people
> > >in jail because of it. If 2 Canadians did the same things to Americans we
> > >would probably cry out and do the same thing. But its not 
> right...combat is
> > >combat it happens it sucks move on. Unless you do what that 101st 
> prick did
> > >to his own unit or if he did it to friendlies like the UK etc, then its an
> > >accident that's terrible. Its a system fault not a personal fault, just
> >like
> > >medical mistakes, the majority are faulty system not faulty people. 
> Fix the
> > >problems with whatever system let a FF incident happen and quit the gosh
> > >darned bitching and complaining about it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:23 AM
> > >Subject: Re: FW: An apology to the U.S.......
> > >
> > >
> > >It it then my what are those ships doing in the Gulf and the Red Sea? Mmy
> > >my my, they must be on a long pleasure cruise, stopping and searching all
> > >those nasty middle eastern ship for tickles and grins. Similarly those
> > >Canadian soldier must just be on a long extended hike in Afghanistan. Just
> > >like those ones that got bombed by those 2 incompetent pilots.
> > >
> > >Yessiree all those soldiers, sailors etc just off on a long vacation.
> > >
> > >Pardon my sarcasm as a  whole but your response merited it.
> > >
> > >At 09:46 AM 4/2/2003, you wrote:
> > > >Larry, that is BS.
> > > >
> > > >Canada as a whole, and the elected Gov in particular, have been _very_
> > > >clear in their feelings and participation in this war.
> > > >
> > > >If they could (in their own good concience) let us hang by withdrawing
> > > >their forces in these other areas, I think they would.
> > > >
> > > >They are _not_ participating in this war.
> > > >
> > > >Unless you are saying that this war = the war on terrorism, then
> >obviously
> > > >the Canadians are helping in that bigger war.
> > > >
> > > >But at least they are not (like the French and Germans) actively 
> opposing
> > > >us in this war.
> > > >
> > > >Just my opinion,
> > > >Jerry Johnson
> > > >
> > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/02/03 08:45AM >>>
> > > >Typically Canadian but very apt.
> > > >
> > > >One point that has been pissing me off. I'm hearing whiny complaints by
> > > >various people in the area about Canada's participation in the Iraqi 
> War.
> > > >Yes Canadian forces as a whole are not participating. However to set the
> > > >record straight, there are 7 ships from the Canadian navy in the region
> > > >(the Red Sea and the Gulf) participating in the anti-terrorism patrols -
> > > >freeing up US navy assets btw. There is also  another Canadian battalion
> >is
> > > >heading over to Afghanistan, while special operations units, such as the
> > > >JTF2 are also working with US forces in that theater.
> > > >
> > > >So do me a favour, cut the bs about Canada's non-participation.
> > > >
> > > >larry
> > > >
> > > >At 05:11 AM 4/2/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >Cute. Very cute.
> > > > >And quite smug.
> > > > >I enjoyed it, even while feeling insulted.
> > > > >:-)
> > > > >
> > > > >-Ben
> > > > >
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  >Came across this today, written by Rick Mercer:
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  >On behalf of Canadians everywhere I'd like to offer an apology
> >to
> > > > > > >  >the United States of America. We haven't been getting along 
> very
> > > > > > >  >well recently and for that, I am truly sorry.
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  >I'm sorry we called George Bush a moron. He is a moron but, it
> > > > > > >  >wasn't nice of us to point it out. If it's any consolation, the
> > >fact
> > > > > > >  >that he's a moron shouldn't reflect poorly on the people of
> > >America.
> > > > > > >  >After all it's not like you actually elected him.
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  >I'm sorry about our softwood lumber. Just because we have more
> > >trees
> > > > > > >  >than you doesn't give us the right to sell you lumber that's
> > >cheaper
> > > > > > >  >and better than your own.
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  >I'm sorry we beat you in Olympic hockey. In our defense I guess
> > >our
> > > > > > >  >excuse would be that our teams were much, much, much, much
> >better
> > > > > > >  >than yours.
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  >I'm sorry we burnt down your white house during the war of 
> 1812.
> >I
> > > > > > >  >notice you've rebuilt it! It's Very Nice. I'm sorry about your
> > > > > > >  >beer. I know we had nothing to do with your beer but, we Feel
> >your
> > > > > > >  >Pain.
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  >I'm sorry about our waffling on Iraq. I mean, when you're going
> > > > > > >  >up against a crazed dictator, you wanna have your friends by
> >your
> > > > > > >  >side. I realize it took more than two years before you guys
> > >pitched
> > > > > > >  >in against Hitler, But that was different. Everyone knew he had
> > > > > > >  >weapons.
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  >And finally on behalf of all Canadians, I'm sorry that we
> > > > > > >  >are constantly apologizing for things in a passive aggressive
> >way
> > > > > > >  >which is really a thinly veiled criticism. I sincerely hope 
> that
> > > > > > >  >you're not upset over this. We've seen what you do to countries
> > >you
> > > > > > >  >get upset with.
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  >Thank you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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