Doug,
Where does the constitution allow the congress to set the executive
as a proxy for anything that falls within its scope? Simply because they
wrote a law saying the president can send troops witout their approval,
doesn't mean such a law meets the standards imposed by the constitution.
Congress, and congress alone, has the ability to declare war. Doesn't
matter who voted what funds where. There is no tacit implicaton of war.
There is also no officially declared war against "terror" contrary to
popular opinion.
Have you read our constitution? The invasion was unconstitutional.
It should not have occured in this manner.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug White [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 9:50 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Wolfowitz: Iraq war was about oil
>
> There is still some debate over the constitutionality of the Iraqi
> invasion.
> First, the Present has the authority granted under the War Powers Act to
> invade
> anywhere he chooses. In the Iraq case, he did have the blessing of the US
> congress, both in support for his action, and the provision of a budget to
> pay
> for it. There are many scholars who will consider this combined action as
> tantamount to a declaration of war. Another thing is that the US has
> officially
> declared war on terrorism, although it is still to be proved the terrorism
> connection with Iraq. Unless the administration hangs its hat on the
> publicly
> known financial support (pension plan) for the families of Palestinian
> suicide
> bombers. No one thinks the Palestine suicide bombers are any threat to
> the US,
> just to Israel.
>
> Perhaps this is why there is so much effort with the RMTP to get a Nobel
> Peace
> Prize award, which would no doubt assist with his re-election campaign.
>
> As far as the Chinese oil connection, and while it is little publicized,
> China
> controls the as yet undeveloped South China Sea Oil, which has been
> reported to
> contain reserves equal or exceeding all the known reserves
> A big US player in that endeavor is, of course, Exxon-Mobil.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Randolph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 8:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Wolfowitz: Iraq war was about oil
>
>
> | Hello,
> |
> | It was always about oil and there really isn't any debate there...none,
> | nada, zero, zilch.
> |
> | So you have to ask yourself WHY would this administration be so willing
> to
> | put us at an even greater risk of terrorism though their actions and
> kill
> | world opinion of the USA so quickly or easily.
> |
> | 1. Money...Iraq had converted to the EURO for it's oil dealings, if
> others
> | in OPEC had followed suit the US dollar could quite likely of tanked.
> |
> | 2. Money...Their just greedy oil barons.. Doubtful since by attacking
> Iraq
> | we guaranteed that we'd be thrown out of Saudi Arabia a source of oil we
> | already had 'control over'....which is now happened.
> |
> | 3. Asymmetric Warfare with Strategic Competitors (China)...quite likely.
> |
> | Many believe the real issue at hand is the long term threat of China
> | capturing those oil wells, if they would have it <could> of lead to
> total
> | world domination by China. There is/was a huge power vacuum created when
> | Russia fell apart and China had been filling that vacuum. China is the
> | true long term threat of the United States and ultimately the free
> | world. I don't believe in Bush's NWO, but then I don't speak Chinese
> | either so I guess I'm screwed either way.
> |
> | Bush congressional ally says China run by 'decrepit tyrants' (lump's
> them
> | in with the axis of evil)
> | http://sg.news.yahoo.com/030603/1/3bhzt.html
> |
> | Remember our bombing of the embassy when they were trying to figure out
> how
> | to track our stealth planes and the latest incident the spy plane being
> | rammed by the nimble fighter. Also North Korea is nothing but the lips
> | and teeth of China and look at their tone towards the US...it's really
> | China's tone. When China has something inflammatory to say...North Korea
> | says it instead.
> |
> | Either way the war WAS unconstitutional and has damaged my beloved
> homeland
> | internationally to say the least. Maybe everyone will take the time to
> read
> | the constitution and note that the President doesn't have the authority
> to
> | declare war and vote out of office those that abdicated their
> | responsibility to him on a silver platter. I won't go into the abuse of
> the
> | Executive Order in the last 10 or so administrations!
> |
> | ... The end justifies the means?
> |
> | Best,
> | Mike Randolph
> |
> | At 07:46 PM 6/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> | >Of course that is what I have held the opinion on since the get go, but
> flames
> | >were vociferous about it not being about oil.
> | >
> | >The country who controls Iraqi oil, controls the pricing of the entire
> region,
> | >and could break the back of Saudi Arabia and Iran's economies. This is
> why
> | >ARAMCO is chomping at the bit to get either a direct contract or a
> Halliburton
> | >sub-contract.
> | >
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> | >----- Original Message -----
> | >From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | >Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 6:42 PM
> | >Subject: Wolfowitz: Iraq war was about oil
> | >
> | >
> | >| Oil was the main reason for military action against Iraq, a leading
> White
> | >House hawk has claimed, confirming the worst fears of those opposed to
> the
> | >US-led war.
> | >|
> | >| The US deputy defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz - who has already
> undermined
> | >Tony Blair's position over weapons of mass destruction (WMD) by
> describing
> | >them
> | >as a "bureaucratic" excuse for war - has now gone further by claiming
> the
> real
> | >motive was that Iraq is "swimming" in oil.
> | >|
> | >| http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,970335,00.html
> | >|
> | >
> |
>
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