Well it's obvious. When everyone is dead, there is no more strife. -Kevin
> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 12:08 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > No. He says that he'll offer seahawk anti-ship missiles to > Egypt instead. America doesn't have to invade. It has the > Arabs there waiting for the sign of America's support of > Israel to evaporate to do it. Not illegal. Nope, not at all. > It's all power games and I for one have no clue what the true > purpose is. It's not for peace, that's for sure. > > > > Saying we will not give you weapons, or foriegn aid anymore is not > > threatening. Mike you know of my staunch support of Israel. > > Seriously Bush miht be playing hard ball to get his way, it > might be > > mean and pissy of him, but it's not illegal. > > > > He's not saying, we will invade if you don't comply (thins time). > > > > Tim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:30 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > > > > Your right. Threatening another country to violate their > own laws is > > > not a crime in America. I should have remembered that. > > > > > > > > > > How is this in any way illegal of Bush? > > > > > > > > What US laws does it break? > > > > > > > > Jerry Johnson > > > > > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/03/03 12:09PM >>> > > > > Illegal of Bush as well. He pushed for it and 'force' > Sharon into > > > > doing > > > it. > > > > Sharon knows that the Israeli public will never accept > what's laid > > > > out > > > in the > > > > roadmap as it stands so he hides it. As it stands and with the > > > > events > > > that are > > > > happening, a war in the middle east is inevitable. Really. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ohhh illegal of sharon, i gotcha thought you meant illegal of > > > > > shrub. I > > > never > > > > > liked sharon much too hardline but he appears to be > softening a > > > > > bit > > > which is > > > > > a good thing in the long wrong. Maybe the israelis > will put Ehud > > > > > Barak > > > back > > > > > in power now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no > skills. Sure, I > > > > > was > > > good > > > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > > > > > people > > > off!" > > > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:45 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can a law be enacted by the president of the US without it > > > > > > going > > > through > > > > > > congress first? Is there a procedure to do so? Does it take > > > > > > time and > > > have > > > > > to be > > > > > > recorded, etc. > > > > > > The roadmap was withheld from the Israeli government by the > > > > > > prime > > > > > minister. He > > > > > > then brought it to the ruling ministers without the required > > > procedures, > > > > > time, > > > > > > and records being done. A vote was forced and the > records of > > > > > > that > > > vote > > > > > (other > > > > > > than it was accepted) is kept secret (the 14 points of > > > disagreement). It > > > > > was > > > > > > then withheld from the larger government body that > has to vote > > > > > > on it > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > statement of 'we have to do it no matter what' (basically). > > > > > > The > > > entire > > > > > process > > > > > > of its 'acceptance' was illegal by the > parliamentary standards > > > > > > of a > > > > > sovereign > > > > > > government. > > > > > > Why was this done, because Sharon has turned into as much a > > > mouthpiece for > > > > > Bush > > > > > > as Powell. Do you know that he's releasing > terrorists who have > > > 'blood on > > > > > their > > > > > > hands' including the blood of Americans as a > 'gesture of good > > > > > > will'? > > > He's > > > > > > bending over backwards to do whatever Bush wants in > this while > > > > > > the > > > > > Palestinian > > > > > > side has yet to even say they accept Israel's > existence, will > > > > > > stop > > > terror, > > > > > or > > > > > > anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is it illegal? They don't have to listen to it. People > > > complain when > > > > > > > america doesn't interject in trying to get peace in the > > > > > > > middle > > > east then > > > > > > > when we do again its all american is forcing it > down their > > > > > > > throat. > > > > > Israel > > > > > > > and the PLO could both say no and do it > themselves but they > > > > > > > are > > > having > > > > > such > > > > > > > goodluck on their own. In fact it was the israeli > people who > > > > > > > voted > > > that > > > > > > > shrub like hardliner into power and screwed their best > > > > > > > chances of > > > peace > > > > > in a > > > > > > > long time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just curious what you think is illegal about that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > > > > > > > Sure, I > > > was > > > > > good > > > > > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a > resume - it puts > > > people > > > > > off!" > > > > > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 2:04 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, it will be more of the same. The > whole road > > > > > > > > map > > > being > > > > > > > forced > > > > > > > > (illegally) down Israel's throat is being done for one > > > > > > > > reason > > > and one > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > only; re-election. We'll have more Bush, more > Cheney, more > > > Powell, > > > > > more of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If n fact he is just another mouth piece, no. > Last thing > > > > > > > > > we > > > need is > > > > > more > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Dinowitz writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His backstory once made him very attractive > to me as a > > > candidate. > > > > > > > Problem > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > he's become just another mouthpiece for the powers > > > > > > > > > > that be > > > and is > > > > > just > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > someone I'd vote for anymore. > > > > > > > > > > Just as an aside, let me throw this into the mix. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/iraq/powelldo > > > ctrine > > > _short > > > > > > > > > > .html > > > > > > > > > > His military doctrine about when and how to > use force. > > > > > > > > > > Seems > > > he > > > > > feel > > > > > > > it only > > > > > > > > > > applies to himself, not to others.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dunno... I could conceive of voting for > him and I > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > sure as > > > > > hell > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > Republican. This may change if he appears to have > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > dishonest. I > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > wondered if he wasn't the source for that story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jon hall writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it may appear so on the surface, but I > > > > > > > > > > > > really > > > can't > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > administration want's Powell to be a "yes man", > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > obviously > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't like it. Cheney is the one who > originally > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote > > > the BS > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > first place. > > > > > > > > > > > > Much has been made about Powell > disagreeing with > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > administration on > > > > > > > > > > > > a lot of issues. The problem is that he is > > > > > > > > > > > > outnumbered > > > in the > > > > > > > White > > > > > > > > > > > > House with Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice usually > > > > > > > > > > > > lining up > > > > > against > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My take is the almost extreme opposite of this > > > > > > > > > > > > somehow > > > being a > > > > > > > sign of > > > > > > > > > > > > weakness on Powell's part. I see it as a sign of > > > strength that > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > disagree's so much with the party line, but > > > > > > > > > > > > refuses to > > > try and > > > > > > > make it > > > > > > > > > > > > an issue of right and wrong in the public eye. > > > Especially > > > > > since > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > American voter only really cares about > the truth > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > their > > > > > party > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't have the White House. I doubt > Powell would > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > gained > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > Democratic supporters than Republican > supporters > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > would have > > > > > > > lost if > > > > > > > > > > > > he refused to go along with the White House. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes down to it, the first > black man to > > > > > > > > > > > > have a > > > chance > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming President has more important things to > > > > > > > > > > > > worry > > > about > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > whether or not one reason to go to war > with Iraq > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > better > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > another. > > > > > > > > > > > > He has a strong support base on the right > > > > > > > > > > > > currently and > > > can't > > > > > > > > > > > > let the media screw up his image by > painting him > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > maverick, > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > can't help but draw a parallel between David > > > > > > > > > > > > Palmer in > > > the > > > > > show > > > > > > > 24, > > > > > > > > > > > > and Powell. Playing ball now will go a > long way in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > jon > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 2, 2003, 10:24:00 PM, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> Powell, who I once thought I respected, is > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> nothing > > > more > > > > > than a > > > > > > > "yes > > > > > > > > man" > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> Bush and the forces in the state > department. > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> He is > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > not in > > > > > > > > > > charge of > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On the evening of February 1, two dozen > > > > > > > > > > > > >> American > > > officials > > > > > > > gathered > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> spacious conference room at the Central > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> Intelligence > > > > > Agency in > > > > > > > > Langley, > > > > > > > > > > Va. The > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> time had come to make the public > case for war > > > against > > > > > Iraq. > > > > > > > For six > > > > > > > > > > hours that > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> Saturday, the men and women of the Bush > > > administration > > > > > argued > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> Secretary of State Colin Powell should--and > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> should > > > > > not--say at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > United > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> Nations Security Council four days > later. Not > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> all > > > the > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > intelligence about > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> Saddam Hussein's misdeeds, they > found, stood > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> up to > > > close > > > > > > > scrutiny. > > > > > > > > At > > > > > > > > > > one point > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> during the rehearsal, Powell tossed several > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> pages in > > > the > > > > > air. > > > > > > > "I'm > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > reading > > > > > > > > > > > > MD> this," he declared. 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