thank you Kevin for articulating the big picture in a way I could not.

Dana

On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:59:53 -0500, Kevin Graeme 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I take great objection to that. I do not in any way agree with any
> attitude of "what's done is done, let's just move on" because it gives
> tacit approval for the next time something comes up like this for them
> to do the same. It will become an operating principle that there is no
> need for prior justification nor review for censure of any action of the
> President or Prime Minister, as if that's not the case already.
>
> I WANT this to cost our governments. If there is anything we as citizens
> can do to prevent an abuse of power it is to make the costs of
> committing that abuse too high to even consider. The costs of conducting
> the war took away from our own domestic budgets for programs and
> services which benefitted our own people. If the war was so damned
> important to spend money on, I have no qualms in spending a little more
> to make sure of that. It just goes towards the costs of the war.
>
> So what about the poor people of Iraq? It's a red-herring argument. Our
> government here is structured such that all these people that are
> investigating the intelligence and such are not people who would be
> helping in the reconstruction anyway. The people that are rebuilding are
> still going to be doing that, despite whether there is an investigation
> or not. The people doing the investigation will either be chewing this
> bone or another, and will be pulling a paycheck regardless. I personally
> think this is a big enough bone that it really needs to be chewed on
> with great and furious deliberation. Even if the outcome is that the
> intelligence completely justified the actions, then it will restore
> confidence in the intelligence community and the decision makers who
> used that intelligence. If it doesn't justify it, then I think there
> needs to be extreme censure of the people involved to send a message
> that we won't be lied to and manipulated.
>
> -Kevin
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 
>> June 10, 2003 10:16 AM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: RE: Tony Blair, Internet surfer
>>
>>
>> > TONY Blair's first dossier on the justification for war against Iraq > 
>> was almost entirely put together from information freely available on > 
>> the internet, Scotland on Sunday can reveal.
>> >
>> > The crucial document purported to contain 55 pages of high-grade > 
>> intelligence on the threat posed by Saddam, but was in fact largely > 
>> based on unclassified CIA documents, Pentagon press releases and the > 
>> published reports of American think-tanks.
>> >
>> > Scotland on Sunday understands the Prime Minister may have been > 
>> 'palmed off' with the old and publicly-available information by MI6 > 
>> officers desperate to protect the sources of their latest > 
>> intelligence.
>> >
>> > The revelation is hugely embarrassing for the Prime Minister, who is > 
>> fighting a rearguard action against critics of his case for supporting > 
>> President George Bush's invasion of Iraq.
>>
>> Here's something Tony and George should do...
>>
>> Stand up in front of their respective governments and say:
>> "The war is over, whether we went in with or without the proper 
>> knowledge, it's happened - either we sit here and discuss it and spend 
>> millions on trying to find out if it was right or not, or we use that 
>> time and money to HELP the people of Iraq and ourselves"
>>
>> See how many people object to that <g>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
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