> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 11 June 2003 16:46
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: A good american
> 
> 
> Pacifism = COWARD   (English translation)
> 
> Are you a Mennonite?   If so feel free to run to another country more
> sympathetic to your views.   Time to stop being a parasite on 
> a freedom loving,
> Patriotic Nation!
> 
> Are you Buddhist?   The Buddhists are indeed warriors, 
> believing that to have
> honorably conquered your enemy to have achieved Nirvana!

I don't think you understand the concept of Nirvana, it is not a place
but a state of mind.

You might like to consider some of the 10 immoralities (sort of like the
10 commandments they list forbidden things), one says: "The desire to
harm others", another is "The taking of life of any living being".

I am not a Buddhist BTW, although I do have meditation classes at a
centre.



> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: A good american
> 
> 
> | Bull Shit.
> |
> | What about Buddhism?
> |
> | Moreover look at the history of pacifism and the 
> Mennonites. They left 
> | Germany and Russia and came to North America because of 
> conscription 
> | issues. Learn your history a bit more
> |
> | At 11:09 AM 6/11/2003 -0500, Doug White wrote:
> | >Of course I hold them in contempt, and likewise term them 
> "Cowards" 
> | >There is no recognized religion that opposes war, none at all.  In 
> | >fact all
> of
> | >them have a history of oppression, war, exploiting the meek, 
> | >preferring to keep the faithful ignorant, and couching 
> their dogma is 
> | >falsehoods and deception. There is no sincere opposition to armed 
> | >conflict, only cowardice.  Genuine Conscientious Objectors are 
> | >nothing more than cowards, and as such are parasitic
> | >upon legitimate government and its loyal people.  They 
> should all be either
> | >exported or executed.
> | >
> | >You sadly misquote Ghandi, Mother Theresa and Martin Luther King.  
> | >and are completely wrong about the Mennonites.
> | >
> | >But, you will survive, because the majority of the citizenry will 
> | >bear arms
> to
> | >defend your rights and constitutional protections, as well as 
> | >permitting you to espouse your lies and deceptions.
> | >
> | >
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> | >----- Original Message -----
> | >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:52 AM
> | >Subject: RE: A good american
> | >
> | >
> | >| So I take it that you hold in contempt those who have a sincere, 
> | >| religious or otherwise, conviction that serving in the 
> military is 
> | >| wrong. Its great to know that there are those who would gladly 
> | >| persecute others based on their beliefs. Genuine conscientious 
> | >| objectors would fall under your rubric. People like 
> Ghandi, Mother 
> | >| Teresa, Martin Luther King etc have those beliefs. There 
> are other 
> | >| groups like the Mennonites who also have very strong religious 
> | >| beliefs against serving in the military.
> | >|
> | >| Such ignorance is appalling.
> | >|
> | >| larry
> | >|
> | >
> | >
> | 
> 
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