woo hoo finally someone who gets it LOL I thought i was loosing my mind and would have to move to canada
"When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: RE: A good american > I think the rule here is: Don't ever talk out loud about breaking the law. > > If you do chain your dog up in a way where it seems the dog is being abused, > then the humane society should be called. > > If you talk about cheating on your taxes, then don't be surprised if the tax > man comes knocking on your door. > > I think the answer to the question is, don't break the rules. It doesn't > matter what everyone else does, listen to your mother. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:05 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > OK... actually that does contain a *glimmer* of sense. You can lose your > > mind that way though, trying to imagine everything that someone *might* > > dime you for. Don't yeall at your kids -- someone might call cps. Don't > > chain your dog outside -- someone might call the humane society. Don't > > talk > > about your taxes -- someone might turn you in for not paying your full > > complement of Social Security. Don't let your parking meter run out.... I > > mean, how was he supposed to imagine that someone would accuse him of > > spying? And on a social level not a group level it's not really fair to > > have one guy over here accused of spying for the Chinese (presumably > > because he is Chinese) and in solitary confinement for months on end, > > while > > other people walk around unhampered... is it? > > > > Dana > > > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:52:24 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Ok and if he hadn't broken rules that were not really ever enforced he > > > wouldn't be in trouble. > > > > > > Its a prime example of why not to break rules even if everyone else > > does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > > good > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > > off!" > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:58 AM > > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > > > > >> Bill. Please tell me what you think peer pressure has to do with this? > > >> The > > >> guy was accused of espionage and the government later says whoops we > > are > > >> sorry and released him. > > >> The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to him. Are we even > > >> talking about the same case?? > > >> > > >> Dana > > >> > > >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:34:41 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > :) If he hadn't broken the rules do you think he would have been in > > >> > trouble?? > > >> > > > >> > Sucks to be him but i bet hes been saying if i hadn't given into peer > > >> > pressure to break the rules i wouldn't have been screwed. LOL > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > > > good > > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > > > off!" > > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:06 PM > > >> > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> ::sigh:: The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to the > > >> guy. > > >> >> But > > >> >> ok, think what you like. Have a croissant. > > >> >> > > >> >> Dana > > >> >> > > >> >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:45 -0400, William Wheatley > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > No in other words if you know people are going to be gunning for > > >> you > > >> >> > don't > > >> >> > give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the rules if > > >> he > > >> >> > hadn't > > >> >> > he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation starting but > > >> >> > himself. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > > >> was > > >> > good > > >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > > people > > >> > off!" > > >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM > > >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you write. A > > >> > Chinese > > >> >> >> scientist was singled out, possibly because he is Chinese. > > > Subsequent > > >> >> >> investigation revealed that the problem was facility wide and the > > >> >> >> University of California was fired as administrator. No other > > >> >> scientist > > >> >> >> were charged with espionage let alone spent a year in jail. I > > have > > > no > > >> >> >> idea > > >> >> >> whether he is suing or not; I just think he got a raw deal. There > > >> is > > >> >> > little > > >> >> >> point in nitpicking over this one case since neither one of us is > > >> >> >> looking > > >> >> >> up the details; my point is, there is at least a distinct > > > possibility > > >> >> >> that > > >> >> >> as he always maintained, he had no contact with the Chinese > > >> >> government, > > >> >> > and > > >> >> >> was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the several > > >> >> thousand > > >> >> >> employees of the facility, not one of whom was also jailed. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Dana > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley > > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I get caught > > >> > speeding > > >> >> > do > > >> >> >> > I > > >> >> >> > say..everyone does it.. lol no. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. He knew > > >> the > > >> >> >> rules > > >> >> >> > and > > >> >> >> > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't mean you > > >> >> should. > > >> >> >> And > > >> >> >> > he > > >> >> >> > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to sue go for > > >> it > > >> >> if > > >> >> >> not > > >> >> >> > well that's on him. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, > > I > > >> >> was > > >> >> > good > > >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > > > people > > >> >> > off!" > > >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > > >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM > > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop containing > > >> >> classified > > >> >> > data > > >> >> >> >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that this was > > >> very > > >> >> >> often > > >> >> >> >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain lost. UC > > >> just > > >> >> >> lost > > >> >> >> >> its > > >> >> >> >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not endear him > > >> to > > >> > the > > >> >> > US > > >> >> >> >> government if he did. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Dana > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> William Wheatley writes: > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven if there > > was > > >> >> > evidence > > >> >> >> > to > > >> >> >> >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is he sueing?? > > >> If > > >> >> >> they > > >> >> >> > were so > > >> >> >> >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in jail but i > > >> would > > >> >> >> > understand > > >> >> >> >> > they can't let me roam free with national security interests > > >> >> like > > >> >> >> >> that. > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that unjust. I > > >> read > > >> >> on > > >> >> > both > > >> >> >> > sides > > >> >> >> >> > of the story. > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he realizes he > > got > > >> >> off > > >> >> > easy > > >> >> >> > and > > >> >> >> >> > not to push his luck > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > > >> Sure, > > > I > > >> >> >> was > > >> >> >> > good > > >> >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > > >> > people > > >> >> >> > off!" > > >> >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" > > >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM > > >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year in jail, > > >> and > > > I > > >> >> > think > > >> >> >> > he > > >> >> >> >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as a nuclear > > >> >> > physicist > > >> >> >> >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent > > >> investigation > > >> >> >> >> revealed > > >> >> >> > to > > >> >> >> >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > Dana > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > William Wheatley writes: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them and let them > > >> >> goto > > >> >> >> >> trial > > >> >> >> >> > first. > > >> >> >> >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well you're dead > > >> meat > > >> >> no > > >> >> >> >> trial > > >> >> >> >> > needed > > >> >> >> >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. System > > >> worked.. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > > >> >> Sure, > > >> >> >> I > > >> >> >> >> was > > >> >> >> >> > good > > >> >> >> >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it > > > puts > > >> >> >> >> people > > >> >> >> >> > off!" > > >> >> >> >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > >> >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana Tierney" > > >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM > > >> >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being shot. A spy > > in > > >> >> >> wartime > > >> >> >> >> > *might* be > > >> >> >> >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I mentioned was > > >> >> accused > > >> >> >> of > > >> >> >> > spying > > >> >> >> >> > for > > >> >> >> >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges except > > >> one, > > >> >> >> >> something > > >> >> >> >> > like > > >> >> >> >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with classified > > >> data. > > >> > And > > >> >> >> >> this > > >> >> >> > was > > >> >> >> >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on jail > > >> almost > > > a > > >> >> > year; > > >> >> >> >> > proper > > >> >> >> >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los Alamos that > > >> the > > >> >> >> >> contract > > >> >> >> > for > > >> >> >> >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. Point is, > > >> >> sometimes > > >> >> > they > > >> >> >> > are > > >> >> >> >> > wrong > > >> >> >> >> > > > > about "spies" too. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > Dana > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > :) > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to be shot. > > >> I'll > > >> >> >> even > > >> >> >> > give > > >> >> >> >> > them > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black this > > week. > > >> >> >> >> Therefore > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were talking > > >> about > > >> >> >> other > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may have both > > >> >> >> betrayed > > >> >> >> > their > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the > > population. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would betray this > > >> >> country" > > >> >> > has > > >> >> >> >> a > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am pretty > > >> sure > > >> > that > > >> >> > if > > >> >> >> >> I > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, you and I > > >> would > > >> > not > > >> >> > be > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So that throws > > >> up > > >> >> a > > >> >> > huge > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Dana > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray this > > >> country > > >> >> > should > > >> >> >> > be > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country deserve our > > >> >> >> respect > > >> >> >> >> and > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > admiration. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons > > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:55 AM > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort of belief > > >> that > > >> >> >> >> deifies > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > is as > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would gladly betray > > >> this > > >> >> >> >> country. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John Stanley > > > wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the > > sacrifices > > > of > > >> >> >> the > > >> >> >> >> > military, > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that you do not > > >> >> >> respect > > >> >> >> >> the > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans who > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died for the > > >> Untied > > >> >> > States? > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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