um, please don't call me "dear".

I guess I just imagined that long discussion where you insisted I would be 
best off to enlist.... Look, I don't know about your dignity, but this 
squabble is definitely beneath mine. Have a nice life.

Dana

On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:11:17 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Dear i don't think you're wrong relax. Never said you were wrong i know 
> how
> it is now
> i know you gotta do all the stuff its ok. Please don't assume anything 
> with
> me :) I never
> said you were wrong and i'm sorry if i implied you were. *Muffins*
>
>
> "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good
> with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!"
> Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: A good american
>
>
>> But you're convinced I'm wrong though. And I am a condescending jerk for
>> questioning that I am wrong. OK... I know how much weight to give your
>> opinions in future.
>>
>> Dana
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:38:54 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I dropped it :>  I said i was done discussing it. I heard it on the
> radio
>> > and its just friendly banter.
>> >
>> > Relax you seem to be under alot of stress lately deep breaths dear
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was
> good
>> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people
> off!"
>> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" 
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:20 PM
>> > Subject: Re: A good american
>> >
>> >
>> >> ::pounds head on desk::: and the astounding thing here is that you
> think
>> >> I
>> >> don't get it. LOL. How are you doing with links to that citizenship
>> > program
>> >> I was so wrong about?
>> >>
>> >> Dana
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:14:02 -0400, William Wheatley 
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > woo hoo finally someone who gets it LOL
>> >> >
>> >> > I thought i was loosing my mind and would have to move to canada
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I 
>> was
>> > good
>> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people
>> > off!"
>> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> > nacho.com>
>> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:17 PM
>> >> > Subject: RE: A good american
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> I think the rule here is: Don't ever talk out loud about breaking
> the
>> >> >> law.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you do chain your dog up in a way where it seems the dog is 
>> being
>> >> > abused,
>> >> >> then the humane society should be called.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you talk about cheating on your taxes, then don't be surprised 
>> if
>> > the
>> >> > tax
>> >> >> man comes knocking on your door.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think the answer to the question is, don't break the rules. It
>> > doesn't
>> >> >> matter what everyone else does, listen to your mother.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:05 PM
>> >> >> > To: CF-Community
>> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > OK... actually that does contain a *glimmer* of sense. You can
> lose
>> >> >> your
>> >> >> > mind that way though, trying to imagine everything that someone
>> >> >> *might*
>> >> >> > dime you for. Don't yeall at your kids -- someone might call 
>> cps.
>> >> >> Don't
>> >> >> > chain your dog outside -- someone might call the humane society.
>> > Don't
>> >> >> > talk
>> >> >> > about your taxes -- someone might turn you in for not paying 
>> your
>> > full
>> >> >> > complement of Social Security. Don't let your parking meter run
>> >> >> out....
>> >> > I
>> >> >> > mean, how was he supposed to imagine that someone would accuse 
>> him
>> >> of
>> >> >> > spying? And on a social level not a group level it's not really
>> >> fair
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > have one guy over here accused of spying for the Chinese
>> >> (presumably
>> >> >> > because he is Chinese) and in solitary confinement for months on
>> >> end,
>> >> >> > while
>> >> >> > other people walk around unhampered... is it?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Dana
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:52:24 -0400, William Wheatley
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > Ok and if he hadn't broken rules that were not really ever
>> >> enforced
>> >> >> he
>> >> >> > > wouldn't be in trouble.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Its a prime example of why not to break rules even if everyone
>> >> else
>> >> >> > does.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, 
>> I
>> > was
>> >> >> > good
>> >> >> > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts
>> >> people
>> >> >> > off!"
>> >> >> > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
>> >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney"
>> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:58 AM
>> >> >> > > Subject: Re: A good american
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> Bill. Please tell me what you think peer pressure has to do
> with
>> >> > this?
>> >> >> > >> The
>> >> >> > >> guy was accused of espionage and the government later says
>> >> whoops
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > >> sorry and released him.
>> >> >> > >> The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to him. Are
> we
>> >> >> even
>> >> >> > >> talking about the same case??
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Dana
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:34:41 -0400, William Wheatley
>> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> > :) If he hadn't broken the rules do you think he would have
>> >> been
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> > >> > trouble??
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Sucks to be him but i bet hes been saying if i hadn't given
>> >> into
>> >> > peer
>> >> >> > >> > pressure to break the rules i wouldn't have been screwed. 
>> LOL
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills.
> Sure,
>> >> I
>> >> > was
>> >> >> > > good
>> >> >> > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it 
>> puts
>> >> >> people
>> >> >> > > off!"
>> >> >> > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
>> >> >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney"
>> >> >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:06 PM
>> >> >> > >> > Subject: Re: A good american
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> ::sigh:: The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized
> to
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > >> guy.
>> >> >> > >> >> But
>> >> >> > >> >> ok, think what you like. Have a croissant.
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> Dana
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:45 -0400, William Wheatley
>> >> >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> > No in other words if you know people are going to be
>> >> gunning
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> > >> you
>> >> >> > >> >> > don't
>> >> >> > >> >> > give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the
>> > rules
>> >> > if
>> >> >> > >> he
>> >> >> > >> >> > hadn't
>> >> >> > >> >> > he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation
>> > starting
>> >> > but
>> >> >> > >> >> > himself.
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills.
>> > Sure,
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> > >> was
>> >> >> > >> > good
>> >> >> > >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it
>> >> puts
>> >> >> > people
>> >> >> > >> > off!"
>> >> >> > >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
>> >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney"
>> >> >> > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > >> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM
>> >> >> > >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you
>> >> >> write.
>> >> > A
>> >> >> > >> > Chinese
>> >> >> > >> >> >> scientist was singled out, possibly because he is
> Chinese.
>> >> >> > > Subsequent
>> >> >> > >> >> >> investigation revealed that the problem was facility 
>> wide
>> > and
>> >> > the
>> >> >> > >> >> >> University of California was fired as administrator. No
>> > other
>> >> >> > >> >> scientist
>> >> >> > >> >> >> were charged with espionage let alone spent a year in
>> >> jail.
>> > I
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > > no
>> >> >> > >> >> >> idea
>> >> >> > >> >> >> whether he is suing or not; I just think he got a raw
>> >> deal.
>> >> > There
>> >> >> > >> is
>> >> >> > >> >> > little
>> >> >> > >> >> >> point in nitpicking over this one case since neither 
>> one
>> >> of
>> >> >> us
>> >> > is
>> >> >> > >> >> >> looking
>> >> >> > >> >> >> up the details; my point is, there is at least a 
>> distinct
>> >> >> > > possibility
>> >> >> > >> >> >> that
>> >> >> > >> >> >> as he always maintained, he had no contact with the
>> >> Chinese
>> >> >> > >> >> government,
>> >> >> > >> >> > and
>> >> >> > >> >> >> was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the
>> >> >> several
>> >> >> > >> >> thousand
>> >> >> > >> >> >> employees of the facility, not one of whom was also
>> >> jailed.
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him.
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> Dana
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley
>> >> >> > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I 
>> get
>> >> >> caught
>> >> >> > >> > speeding
>> >> >> > >> >> > do
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > say..everyone does it.. lol no.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it.
> He
>> >> >> knew
>> >> >> > >> the
>> >> >> > >> >> >> rules
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't
> mean
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> > >> >> should.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> And
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > he
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to 
>> sue
>> >> go
>> >> > for
>> >> >> > >> it
>> >> >> > >> >> if
>> >> >> > >> >> >> not
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > well that's on him.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no
> skills.
>> >> > Sure,
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > >> >> was
>> >> >> > >> >> > good
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - 
>> it
>> >> >> puts
>> >> >> > > people
>> >> >> > >> >> > off!"
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney"
>> >> >> > >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop
>> >> containing
>> >> >> > >> >> classified
>> >> >> > >> >> > data
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that
>> >> this
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> > >> very
>> >> >> > >> >> >> often
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain
>> >> lost.
>> >> >> UC
>> >> >> > >> just
>> >> >> > >> >> >> lost
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> its
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not
>> > endear
>> >> > him
>> >> >> > >> to
>> >> >> > >> > the
>> >> >> > >> >> > US
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> government if he did.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dana
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> William Wheatley writes:
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven 
>> if
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > >> >> > evidence
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is 
>> he
>> >> > sueing??
>> >> >> > >> If
>> >> >> > >> >> >> they
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > were so
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back??
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in 
>> jail
>> >> but
>> >> >> i
>> >> >> > >> would
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > understand
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > they can't let me roam free with national security
>> >> > interests
>> >> >> > >> >> like
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> that.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that
>> >> unjust.
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> > >> read
>> >> >> > >> >> on
>> >> >> > >> >> > both
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > sides
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > of the story.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he
>> >> realizes
>> >> >> he
>> >> >> > got
>> >> >> > >> >> off
>> >> >> > >> >> > easy
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > not to push his luck
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no
>> > skills.
>> >> >> > >> Sure,
>> >> >> > > I
>> >> >> > >> >> >> was
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > good
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume 
>> -
>> >> it
>> >> > puts
>> >> >> > >> > people
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > off!"
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana 
>> Tierney"
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <cf- 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year 
>> in
>> >> >> jail,
>> >> >> > >> and
>> >> >> > > I
>> >> >> > >> >> > think
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > he
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as 
>> a
>> >> > nuclear
>> >> >> > >> >> > physicist
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent
>> >> >> > >> investigation
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> revealed
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > Dana
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > William Wheatley writes:
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them 
>> and
>> >> let
>> >> > them
>> >> >> > >> >> goto
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> trial
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > first.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well 
>> you're
>> >> >> dead
>> >> >> > >> meat
>> >> >> > >> >> no
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> trial
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > needed
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent.
>> >> System
>> >> >> > >> worked..
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, 
>> no
>> >> > skills.
>> >> >> > >> >> Sure,
>> >> >> > >> >> >> I
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> was
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > good
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a
>> > resume -
>> >> > it
>> >> >> > > puts
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> people
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > off!"
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana
>> >> > Tierney"
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <cf-
>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being 
>> shot.
>> >> A
>> >> >> spy
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > >> >> >> wartime
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > *might* be
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I
>> >> mentioned
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> > >> >> accused
>> >> >> > >> >> >> of
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > spying
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges
>> >> >> except
>> >> >> > >> one,
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> something
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > like
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with
>> >> >> classified
>> >> >> > >> data.
>> >> >> > >> > And
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> this
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on
>> >> jail
>> >> >> > >> almost
>> >> >> > > a
>> >> >> > >> >> > year;
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > proper
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los
>> >> Alamos
>> >> > that
>> >> >> > >> the
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> contract
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. 
>> Point
>> >> is,
>> >> >> > >> >> sometimes
>> >> >> > >> >> > they
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > wrong
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > about "spies" too.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > Dana
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes:
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > :)
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to 
>> be
>> >> >> shot.
>> >> >> > >> I'll
>> >> >> > >> >> >> even
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > give
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > them
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney
>> >> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black
>> >> this
>> >> >> > week.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Therefore
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were
>> >> >> talking
>> >> >> > >> about
>> >> >> > >> >> >> other
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes:
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may
>> >> have
>> >> > both
>> >> >> > >> >> >> betrayed
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > their
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the
>> >> >> > population.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney
>> >> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would 
>> betray
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> > >> >> country"
>> >> >> > >> >> > has
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am
>> >> >> pretty
>> >> >> > >> sure
>> >> >> > >> > that
>> >> >> > >> >> > if
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, 
>> you
>> >> and
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> > >> would
>> >> >> > >> > not
>> >> >> > >> >> > be
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So
> that
>> >> > throws
>> >> >> > >> up
>> >> >> > >> >> a
>> >> >> > >> >> > huge
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Dana
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes:
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray
>> >> this
>> >> >> > >> country
>> >> >> > >> >> > should
>> >> >> > >> >> >> > be
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country
>> > deserve
>> >> > our
>> >> >> > >> >> >> respect
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > admiration.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons
>> >> >> > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 
>> 9:55
>> >> AM
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort 
>> of
>> >> >> belief
>> >> >> > >> that
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> deifies
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > is as
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would 
>> gladly
>> >> >> betray
>> >> >> > >> this
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> country.
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John
>> >> >> Stanley
>> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the
>> >> >> > sacrifices
>> >> >> > > of
>> >> >> > >> >> >> the
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > military,
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that
> you
>> > do
>> >> > not
>> >> >> > >> >> >> respect
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans who
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died 
>> for
>> >> the
>> >> >> > >> Untied
>> >> >> > >> >> > States?
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
> 
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