I dropped it :> I said i was done discussing it. I heard it on the radio and its just friendly banter.
Relax you seem to be under alot of stress lately deep breaths dear "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: Re: A good american > ::pounds head on desk::: and the astounding thing here is that you think I > don't get it. LOL. How are you doing with links to that citizenship program > I was so wrong about? > > Dana > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:14:02 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > woo hoo finally someone who gets it LOL > > > > I thought i was loosing my mind and would have to move to canada > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > nacho.com> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:17 PM > > Subject: RE: A good american > > > > > >> I think the rule here is: Don't ever talk out loud about breaking the > >> law. > >> > >> If you do chain your dog up in a way where it seems the dog is being > > abused, > >> then the humane society should be called. > >> > >> If you talk about cheating on your taxes, then don't be surprised if the > > tax > >> man comes knocking on your door. > >> > >> I think the answer to the question is, don't break the rules. It doesn't > >> matter what everyone else does, listen to your mother. > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:05 PM > >> > To: CF-Community > >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > > >> > OK... actually that does contain a *glimmer* of sense. You can lose > >> your > >> > mind that way though, trying to imagine everything that someone > >> *might* > >> > dime you for. Don't yeall at your kids -- someone might call cps. > >> Don't > >> > chain your dog outside -- someone might call the humane society. Don't > >> > talk > >> > about your taxes -- someone might turn you in for not paying your full > >> > complement of Social Security. Don't let your parking meter run > >> out.... > > I > >> > mean, how was he supposed to imagine that someone would accuse him of > >> > spying? And on a social level not a group level it's not really fair > >> to > >> > have one guy over here accused of spying for the Chinese (presumably > >> > because he is Chinese) and in solitary confinement for months on end, > >> > while > >> > other people walk around unhampered... is it? > >> > > >> > Dana > >> > > >> > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:52:24 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Ok and if he hadn't broken rules that were not really ever enforced > >> he > >> > > wouldn't be in trouble. > >> > > > >> > > Its a prime example of why not to break rules even if everyone else > >> > does. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > >> > good > >> > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > >> > off!" > >> > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:58 AM > >> > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> Bill. Please tell me what you think peer pressure has to do with > > this? > >> > >> The > >> > >> guy was accused of espionage and the government later says whoops > >> we > >> > are > >> > >> sorry and released him. > >> > >> The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to him. Are we > >> even > >> > >> talking about the same case?? > >> > >> > >> > >> Dana > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:34:41 -0400, William Wheatley > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > :) If he hadn't broken the rules do you think he would have been > >> in > >> > >> > trouble?? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Sucks to be him but i bet hes been saying if i hadn't given into > > peer > >> > >> > pressure to break the rules i wouldn't have been screwed. LOL > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > > was > >> > > good > >> > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > >> people > >> > > off!" > >> > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:06 PM > >> > >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> ::sigh:: The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to > >> the > >> > >> guy. > >> > >> >> But > >> > >> >> ok, think what you like. Have a croissant. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Dana > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:45 -0400, William Wheatley > >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > No in other words if you know people are going to be gunning > >> for > >> > >> you > >> > >> >> > don't > >> > >> >> > give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the rules > > if > >> > >> he > >> > >> >> > hadn't > >> > >> >> > he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation starting > > but > >> > >> >> > himself. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, > >> I > >> > >> was > >> > >> > good > >> > >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > >> > people > >> > >> > off!" > >> > >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM > >> > >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you > >> write. > > A > >> > >> > Chinese > >> > >> >> >> scientist was singled out, possibly because he is Chinese. > >> > > Subsequent > >> > >> >> >> investigation revealed that the problem was facility wide and > > the > >> > >> >> >> University of California was fired as administrator. No other > >> > >> >> scientist > >> > >> >> >> were charged with espionage let alone spent a year in jail. I > >> > have > >> > > no > >> > >> >> >> idea > >> > >> >> >> whether he is suing or not; I just think he got a raw deal. > > There > >> > >> is > >> > >> >> > little > >> > >> >> >> point in nitpicking over this one case since neither one of > >> us > > is > >> > >> >> >> looking > >> > >> >> >> up the details; my point is, there is at least a distinct > >> > > possibility > >> > >> >> >> that > >> > >> >> >> as he always maintained, he had no contact with the Chinese > >> > >> >> government, > >> > >> >> > and > >> > >> >> >> was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the > >> several > >> > >> >> thousand > >> > >> >> >> employees of the facility, not one of whom was also jailed. > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him. > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> Dana > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley > >> > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I get > >> caught > >> > >> > speeding > >> > >> >> > do > >> > >> >> >> > I > >> > >> >> >> > say..everyone does it.. lol no. > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. He > >> knew > >> > >> the > >> > >> >> >> rules > >> > >> >> >> > and > >> > >> >> >> > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't mean > >> you > >> > >> >> should. > >> > >> >> >> And > >> > >> >> >> > he > >> > >> >> >> > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to sue go > > for > >> > >> it > >> > >> >> if > >> > >> >> >> not > >> > >> >> >> > well that's on him. > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > > Sure, > >> > I > >> > >> >> was > >> > >> >> > good > >> > >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it > >> puts > >> > > people > >> > >> >> > off!" > >> > >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> > >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM > >> > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop containing > >> > >> >> classified > >> > >> >> > data > >> > >> >> >> >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that this > >> was > >> > >> very > >> > >> >> >> often > >> > >> >> >> >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain lost. > >> UC > >> > >> just > >> > >> >> >> lost > >> > >> >> >> >> its > >> > >> >> >> >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security. > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not endear > > him > >> > >> to > >> > >> > the > >> > >> >> > US > >> > >> >> >> >> government if he did. > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Dana > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> William Wheatley writes: > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven if > >> there > >> > was > >> > >> >> > evidence > >> > >> >> >> > to > >> > >> >> >> >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is he > > sueing?? > >> > >> If > >> > >> >> >> they > >> > >> >> >> > were so > >> > >> >> >> >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in jail but > >> i > >> > >> would > >> > >> >> >> > understand > >> > >> >> >> >> > they can't let me roam free with national security > > interests > >> > >> >> like > >> > >> >> >> >> that. > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that unjust. > >> I > >> > >> read > >> > >> >> on > >> > >> >> > both > >> > >> >> >> > sides > >> > >> >> >> >> > of the story. > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he realizes > >> he > >> > got > >> > >> >> off > >> > >> >> > easy > >> > >> >> >> > and > >> > >> >> >> >> > not to push his luck > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > >> > >> Sure, > >> > > I > >> > >> >> >> was > >> > >> >> >> > good > >> > >> >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it > > puts > >> > >> > people > >> > >> >> >> > off!" > >> > >> >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" > >> > >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM > >> > >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year in > >> jail, > >> > >> and > >> > > I > >> > >> >> > think > >> > >> >> >> > he > >> > >> >> >> >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as a > > nuclear > >> > >> >> > physicist > >> > >> >> >> >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent > >> > >> investigation > >> > >> >> >> >> revealed > >> > >> >> >> > to > >> > >> >> >> >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos. > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > Dana > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > William Wheatley writes: > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them and let > > them > >> > >> >> goto > >> > >> >> >> >> trial > >> > >> >> >> >> > first. > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well you're > >> dead > >> > >> meat > >> > >> >> no > >> > >> >> >> >> trial > >> > >> >> >> >> > needed > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. System > >> > >> worked.. > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no > > skills. > >> > >> >> Sure, > >> > >> >> >> I > >> > >> >> >> >> was > >> > >> >> >> >> > good > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - > > it > >> > > puts > >> > >> >> >> >> people > >> > >> >> >> >> > off!" > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana > > Tierney" > >> > >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being shot. A > >> spy > >> > in > >> > >> >> >> wartime > >> > >> >> >> >> > *might* be > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I mentioned > >> was > >> > >> >> accused > >> > >> >> >> of > >> > >> >> >> > spying > >> > >> >> >> >> > for > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges > >> except > >> > >> one, > >> > >> >> >> >> something > >> > >> >> >> >> > like > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with > >> classified > >> > >> data. > >> > >> > And > >> > >> >> >> >> this > >> > >> >> >> > was > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on jail > >> > >> almost > >> > > a > >> > >> >> > year; > >> > >> >> >> >> > proper > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los Alamos > > that > >> > >> the > >> > >> >> >> >> contract > >> > >> >> >> > for > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. Point is, > >> > >> >> sometimes > >> > >> >> > they > >> > >> >> >> > are > >> > >> >> >> >> > wrong > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > about "spies" too. > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > Dana > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > :) > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to be > >> shot. > >> > >> I'll > >> > >> >> >> even > >> > >> >> >> > give > >> > >> >> >> >> > them > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black this > >> > week. > >> > >> >> >> >> Therefore > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were > >> talking > >> > >> about > >> > >> >> >> other > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may have > > both > >> > >> >> >> betrayed > >> > >> >> >> > their > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the > >> > population. > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would betray > >> this > >> > >> >> country" > >> > >> >> > has > >> > >> >> >> >> a > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am > >> pretty > >> > >> sure > >> > >> > that > >> > >> >> > if > >> > >> >> >> >> I > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, you and > >> I > >> > >> would > >> > >> > not > >> > >> >> > be > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So that > > throws > >> > >> up > >> > >> >> a > >> > >> >> > huge > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Dana > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray this > >> > >> country > >> > >> >> > should > >> > >> >> >> > be > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country deserve > > our > >> > >> >> >> respect > >> > >> >> >> >> and > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > admiration. > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons > >> > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:55 AM > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort of > >> belief > >> > >> that > >> > >> >> >> >> deifies > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > is as > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would gladly > >> betray > >> > >> this > >> > >> >> >> >> country. > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John > >> Stanley > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the > >> > sacrifices > >> > > of > >> > >> >> >> the > >> > >> >> >> >> > military, > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that you do > > not > >> > >> >> >> respect > >> > >> >> >> >> the > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans who > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died for the > >> > >> Untied > >> > >> >> > States? > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
