I've always felt so too. -Kevin
> -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:10 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: A good American > > > I'm sorry, I have lurked on this topic till not, but you hit > a pet peeve of mine. "If people would stop suing McDonalds > because they spill their coffee" > > You had better go look up the facts of that case before you > condone it. She did not spill her coffee, the cup collapsed > (basically melted) from the excessive heat of 180 degrees > (that's almost boiling folks). She received second and third > degree burns to her upper legs and genitals. This required a > hospital stay and surgery. I'm sorry, but I think that was a > very valid case. > > -------------- > Ian Skinner > Web Programmer > BloodSource > Sacramento, CA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:03 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: A good american > > > There is a difference between a peace time spy, and a war > time traitor. A peace time spy operating in the US is > governed by the federal court system. > > This man was accused of being a spy, a more thorough > investigation proved this to be incorrect. So what do you do? > If there is cause you have to arrest him. What if he was a > spy, that potential served as a possible risk to the nation. > > We can't let him continue doing his job, if we think he is > spying, we can't let him run free, so we arrest him, on > legitimate charges, and hold an investigation, which showed > he was just doing what everybody else was doing. > > That is the peace time legal system of this country. > > In war time, a traitor or spy on the battle field is much > easier to spot, he's the one wearing the same uniform you > are, and is shooting at you. That person is subject to > immediate execution, by whatever means are required. > > The legal system in this country while it assumes innocence, > the courts still have a responsibility to ensure the person > accused does not attempt flight, or potentially continuing to > break the law while out on bond. The person was held without > bail, pending the investigation and trial. > > There are plenty of people who are held without bail pending > trial, sometimes this takes up to a year or longer. That is > our legal system. If people would stop suing McDonalds > because they spilled their coffee, maybe we wouldn't need so > many civil court justices, and they could be prosecuting criminals. > > The wheels of justice turn slowly, but it seems that more > often than not, when they stop turning, the innocent go free, > and the guilty go to jail. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:11 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > OK, I was thinking about this thread while I was eating my > thai chile. > > It originally started as a rather flippant remark in > response to John' > > suggestion that we shoot spies. I gave Wen Ho Lee as an > example of an > > accused spy who was apparently innocent. Since then Bill has been > > arguing erm, something, and I am letting this thread get to > my blood > > pressure. I really hate when I hear condescension coming > from someone > > who can't be bothered to check facts before making smug > > pronouncements. > > > > Your arguments are slightly different. You are right that > ignorance of > > the law is not an excuse. That is probably not what happened in the > > Wen Ho Lee case, but ok. That case was intended to be an example of > > disproportionate penalties and one where the court system did not > > work. > > > > But there is a deeper question here, which is how can you possibly > > prevent anyone from ever thinking you have done something > wrong, which > > seems to be what you are saying. Some people just see wrongdoing > > everywhere. I have been reported to Child Protective Services for > > owning a computer (Florida) and for having a job (New Mexico). The > > scary thing is that both times the agencies investigated, > though the > > cases were quickly closed. The answer to this is *not* to not work > > because some people think you should stay home with your > children and > > *not* to not own a computer because some people think the > internet is > > evil. You cannot possibly proactively imagine all of the idiotic > > things people can dream up in the way of accusations. > > > > So if you are saying that he should have considered the possiblity > > that someone would accuse him of being a spy, I > respectfully disagree. > > You cannot live your life on the basis of trying to never > be accused > > of something. > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:52:56 -0400, Nick McClure > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > That is why we have a court system. > > > > > > If animal control gets there and says there is nothing > wrong, then > > > the neighbor will just have to deal with it. > > > > > > Ignorance of the law/rule is no excuse; you have a responsibility > > > prior to doing something to verify that what you plan to > do follows > > > the rules. > > > > > > The courts have ruled on this time and time again, just > because you > > > didn't know it was illegal doesn't mean your are not > responsible for > > > it. > > > > > > If you are underpaying on your social security, the > government has a > > > way to get things back where they are supposed to be. If your > > > company didn't withhold the correct amount, they will > work out a way > > > for you to pay it to > > > them. If the company withheld the correct amount, but > didn't send it in, > > > then you show proof of this, and they will go after the company. > > > > > > They are not going to arrest you because your math was > wrong, they > > > will audit you, and all parties can work things out. Remember, if > > > you are underpaying on you social security, you are hurting every > > > American, if you cheat on your taxes, you are hurting every > > > American. > > > > > > What about those really archaic laws? Those murder laws > are pretty > > > old; maybe I can just ignore them. If there is a law on the books > > > you need to follow the law or accept the consequences, > you can try > > > to get the law changed, or abolished, but until then, it > is still a > > > law. > > > > > > Obedience of the law is not asked, it is expected. > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:30 PM > > >> To: CF-Community > > >> Subject: Re: A good american > > >> > > >> hmm. And what if the dog is not being abused but your neighbor > > >> feels no dog should ever be left outside? And what about > the people > > >> on this list who have apparently been underpaying their Social > > >> Security taxes without realizing it? You have to imagine that > > >> something is a rule to not break it, > > >> or that someone might think you are doing somethng wrong > and report it. > > >> What about all those really archaic laws? I think you guys are > > >> stretching. > > >> > > >> Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
