Your right, on that case there was a valid case for negligence, and I didn't mean to imply that valid cases shouldn't go trial if that is what is required.
I should not have used that as an example. However the point still remains that we have a lot of frivolous lawsuits that are filed, which require the attention of a judge and the courts. Even if they are eventually dismissed or settled, they still cost the public a fair amount of money. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 5:10 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: A good American > > I'm sorry, I have lurked on this topic till not, but you hit a pet peeve > of > mine. "If > people would stop suing McDonalds because they spill their coffee" > > You had better go look up the facts of that case before you condone it. > She > did not spill her coffee, the cup collapsed (basically melted) from the > excessive heat of 180 degrees (that's almost boiling folks). She received > second and third degree burns to her upper legs and genitals. This > required > a hospital stay and surgery. I'm sorry, but I think that was a very valid > case. > > -------------- > Ian Skinner > Web Programmer > BloodSource > Sacramento, CA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:03 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: A good american > > > There is a difference between a peace time spy, and a war time traitor. A > peace time spy operating in the US is governed by the federal court > system. > > This man was accused of being a spy, a more thorough investigation proved > this to be incorrect. So what do you do? If there is cause you have to > arrest him. What if he was a spy, that potential served as a possible risk > to the nation. > > We can't let him continue doing his job, if we think he is spying, we > can't > let him run free, so we arrest him, on legitimate charges, and hold an > investigation, which showed he was just doing what everybody else was > doing. > > That is the peace time legal system of this country. > > In war time, a traitor or spy on the battle field is much easier to spot, > he's the one wearing the same uniform you are, and is shooting at you. > That > person is subject to immediate execution, by whatever means are required. > > The legal system in this country while it assumes innocence, the courts > still have a responsibility to ensure the person accused does not attempt > flight, or potentially continuing to break the law while out on bond. The > person was held without bail, pending the investigation and trial. > > There are plenty of people who are held without bail pending trial, > sometimes this takes up to a year or longer. That is our legal system. If > people would stop suing McDonalds because they spilled their coffee, maybe > we wouldn't need so many civil court justices, and they could be > prosecuting > criminals. > > The wheels of justice turn slowly, but it seems that more often than not, > when they stop turning, the innocent go free, and the guilty go to jail. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:11 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > OK, I was thinking about this thread while I was eating my thai chile. > It > > originally started as a rather flippant remark in response to John' > > suggestion that we shoot spies. I gave Wen Ho Lee as an example of an > > accused spy who was apparently innocent. Since then Bill has been > arguing > > erm, something, and I am letting this thread get to my blood pressure. I > > really hate when I hear condescension coming from someone who can't be > > bothered to check facts before making smug pronouncements. > > > > Your arguments are slightly different. You are right that ignorance of > the > > law is not an excuse. That is probably not what happened in the Wen Ho > Lee > > case, but ok. That case was intended to be an example of > disproportionate > > penalties and one where the court system did not work. > > > > But there is a deeper question here, which is how can you possibly > prevent > > anyone from ever thinking you have done something wrong, which seems to > be > > what you are saying. Some people just see wrongdoing everywhere. I have > > been reported to Child Protective Services for owning a computer > (Florida) > > and for having a job (New Mexico). The scary thing is that both times > the > > agencies investigated, though the cases were quickly closed. The answer > to > > this is *not* to not work because some people think you should stay home > > with your children and *not* to not own a computer because some people > > think the internet is evil. You cannot possibly proactively imagine all > of > > the idiotic things people can dream up in the way of accusations. > > > > So if you are saying that he should have considered the possiblity that > > someone would accuse him of being a spy, I respectfully disagree. You > > cannot live your life on the basis of trying to never be accused of > > something. > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:52:56 -0400, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > nacho.com> > > wrote: > > > > > That is why we have a court system. > > > > > > If animal control gets there and says there is nothing wrong, then the > > > neighbor will just have to deal with it. > > > > > > Ignorance of the law/rule is no excuse; you have a responsibility > prior > > > to > > > doing something to verify that what you plan to do follows the rules. > > > > > > The courts have ruled on this time and time again, just because you > > > didn't > > > know it was illegal doesn't mean your are not responsible for it. > > > > > > If you are underpaying on your social security, the government has a > way > > > to > > > get things back where they are supposed to be. If your company didn't > > > withhold the correct amount, they will work out a way for you to pay > it > > > to > > > them. If the company withheld the correct amount, but didn't send it > in, > > > then you show proof of this, and they will go after the company. > > > > > > They are not going to arrest you because your math was wrong, they > will > > > audit you, and all parties can work things out. Remember, if you are > > > underpaying on you social security, you are hurting every American, if > > > you > > > cheat on your taxes, you are hurting every American. > > > > > > What about those really archaic laws? Those murder laws are pretty > old; > > > maybe I can just ignore them. If there is a law on the books you need > to > > > follow the law or accept the consequences, you can try to get the law > > > changed, or abolished, but until then, it is still a law. > > > > > > Obedience of the law is not asked, it is expected. > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:30 PM > > >> To: CF-Community > > >> Subject: Re: A good american > > >> > > >> hmm. And what if the dog is not being abused but your neighbor feels > no > > >> dog > > >> should ever be left outside? And what about the people on this list > who > > >> have apparently been underpaying their Social Security taxes without > > >> realizing it? You have to imagine that something is a rule to not > break > > >> it, > > >> or that someone might think you are doing somethng wrong and report > it. > > >> What about all those really archaic laws? I think you guys are > > >> stretching. > > >> > > >> Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
