Communism <-> Socialism is actually the other way around. Socialism is any system in government that makes reforms to move towards social equality. Communism is a specific implementation of that focusing on extreme economic equality.
So in the sense that the US pushes equality instead of discrimination, yes the US is Socialist. -Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 7:04 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > See I would define that as communism. Socialism in my eyes, > and I thought in common definition, is more like communisms > little brother. Government owns most large industry and or > utilities. There are still basic freedoms, private property > and business is still allowed, but is heavily regulated. This > is where I guess we are in disagreement, however I think that > the definitions that Larry posted would tend to support not > deny my position. > > Additionally, I think you may be taking some of what I say > wrong. My saying that Canada is socialist, is in no way > saying that the current state of politics inside the United > States is any better. You see, I would make a comment, and > you would counter with something about the US rather than > combating the statement itself. I know things are messed up > here. I vote and discuss these issues in order to attempt to > make people see what other options there are, and > occasionally I hope to be able to sway some. I know that > with you and Larry this is near impossible, as it is when you > attempt to sway me, for the most part. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:09 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > Can't say I have studied the issue. But I would start to > think socialism when I see that all the media are government > owned and so are most of the businesses. I guess a key test > would be can you start your own business and can you buy your > own land or do you have to take what you are given. > > Dana > > Heald, Tim writes: > > > Not what country, what policies and economy? Cuba calls itself > > socialist, hell so did the USSR, remember them? Nazis > claimed to be > > national socialists. That doesn't make it so. > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:33 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > Cuba comes to mind. > > > > > http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/News2Frame.htm?socialistcountries.htm > > > > Dana > > > > Heald, Tim writes: > > > > > will you define what you THINK socialism is? I pulled my > definition > > > out > > of > > > the one that Larry sent from the dictionary. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:24 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > > > > A very fast scan on Google indicates that this is a > characteristic > > > of > fee > > > simple deeds in general. I know that in Texas they were talking > > > about > fee > > > simple deeds also... I was thinking of buying land in > West Texas and > this > > > was pointed out on one site I was reading as a gotcha, that and > > > making > > sure > > > there is some access to water. > > > > > > I don't think it proves a thing about socialism... > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > Nick McClure writes: > > > > > > > But does the government own the mineral rights, or are > they just a > > > separate > > > > deed? > > > > > > > > I thought it was common for mineral and land rights to be > > > > separate, > that > > > way > > > > I can sell my mineral rights but keep the land, or keep the > > > > mineral > > rights > > > > and sell the land. > > > > > > > > My point was that the mineral rights are government owned, and > > > > will > > always > > > > be that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:00 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean > Countries) > > > > > > > > > > Do you know that if you buy a house in Texas the > mineral rights > > > > > are > > not > > > > > normally included? I haven't researched the question > in Canada > > > > > and > > most > > > of > > > > > my relatives live within city limits. Which province are we > > > > > talking > > > about? > > > > > Even if true, This would by your definition make Texas a > > > > > socialist > > > state. > > > > > I > > > > > don't think so. And if we are going to get into > countries that > > > > > give > > > money > > > > > to oil companies... hehe. I haven't reseached this in Canada, > > > > > but I > > can > > > > > pull out beaucoup links about Haliburton and the rest of the > > > > > gang > > making > > > > > billions in Iraq. Does this make the US a socialist state? > > > > > > > > > > And you say *I* am oversimplifying. > > > > > > > > > > As for taxes, to hear you guys you pay plenty in > taxes. You sure > > > Canadians > > > > > pay more? I thought you were going to look this up. > > > > > > > > > > I have a problem with the statement because it is wrong, Tim, > > > > > you > say > > > > > these > > > > > things and then you can't back them up. I asked you for links > > > > > about > > this > > > > > last Thursday. Put up or shut up. > > > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
