Ho, It's not. You have a very wierd perception of what socilaism is and unless you want to document your contention that Canada and the US are socialist countries I am done with this discussion.
Dana Heald, Tim writes: > It only balances out if your using all of those services. > > No while the practice of owning the mineral rights by government originated > with the Brits, that doesn't take away from the fact that they are still > owned by government. In practice this is a for of socialism isn't it? I > mean according to the definitions you posted? Your not going to say you > don't understand the difference between socialism and communism now are you > Larry? > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:37 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > People pay more in taxes, yes, but much, much less in health > insurance, car insurance (for Manitoba and BC at least), > unemployment, workers compensation, education, college, etc. So > essentially it balances out. > > As for the bogus comment about mineral rights, it has nothing to do > with socialism or whatever. Its from a far older system, called the > british government model. The crown owns the land, and the individual > buys from the government. > > As for the utilities, frankly as far as I'm concerned its better that > the provincial government own the electrical utilities and get some > hope of getting something back rather than it all going out of the > province to enrich some person who never had to work in his life. > > A quick comparison, Manitoba owns its electrical generation and > delivery systems. Before I left Winnipeg, Manitoba, I paid about $15 > a month Canadian (approx $10) for an electrically heated 2 bedroom > apartment. Coming to Roanoke, Virginia, where there was a privately > owned electrical utility, my electrical rates were about 3 times as > much. > > There are some advantages to a regulated government monopoly. > > larry > > >They own their houses, but they have no mineral rights to what's under the > >ground. Also look into Esso and the amount of money it gets from the > >government sometime. Look at the utilities and who owns and runs those. > > > >Your oversimplifying this a lot you know. BTW they pay far more in taxes > >than we do. Hell GST, provincial and federal taxes, supporting all of > these > >various social programs. > > > >I don't know why you have such a problem with the word? How would you > >define it? Is there some stigma you attach to socialist? > > > >Tim > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:33 PM > >To: CF-Community > >Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > >Well all I know is that Tim claimed that it was socialist because the large > >industries are government owned and something about property rights, > >neither of which is true. I have been in the states a long time but I have > >family in Canada and ya they own houses, work and pay taxes in very much > >the same way that I do. > > > >Dana > > > >Nick McClure writes: > > > >> That is only part of the equation. > >> > >> Socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive, you can have a > >socialist > >> democracy, capitalist monarchy or a communist republic. > >> > >> Socialism or capitalism is the economic side, democracy or dictatorship > is > >> the political side. > >> > >> I would say that Canada is not a 100% capitalist country. There are > >> obviously capitalist ideas, but there are a number of socialist ideas as > >> well. > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:04 PM > >> > To: CF-Community > >> > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > >> > > >> > It's a parliamentary democracy. > >> > > >> > Dana > >> > > >> > Heald, Tim writes: > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
