My wife is sorta gothy, no drinking blood going on here.  Just really into
industrial and ebm.

Tim

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Most of the white-wolf fans I've met have seemed somewhat elitist... I've
been called an intellectual elitist -- I don't intend to be, but I've been
called... and there's a lot of bleed over between WW and goth chic which
also tends to be rather clique-like... but the whole thing (the goth
lifestyle) to me is just way overdone ... I don't mind goths I just can't
tolerate it in everything I do 24-7 the way they've often seemed (to me
anyway) to want it to be. And then you hear stories or catch bits of daytime
talk-shows where people are saying that they really believe they _are_
vampires and that they occasionally draw blood from their significant others
not because it's kinky but because they're addicted to the blod itself...
and about strange cults where charismatic(?) leaders dupe people into
drinking blood that's been spiked with heroine so it produces a real
chemical high and when they don't get it they have real physical withdrawal,
so these new addicts think they really are vampires. Though I suppose
anything can be taken to an unhealthy extreme -- athletes and steroids,
programmers and workaholism... But the whole heroine vampire thing is so
sad...

ike

------ Original Message ------
From: Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Aug 28, 2003 03:16 PM
Subject: Re: Underworld was(RE: romantic ideas needed???)

>Perhaps it was the people I played with or my mindset at the time, but I
>found that I really did not like the underlying attitudes and ethos
>involved in the game.
>
>larry
>
>At 01:53 PM 8/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>I quit doing the RPG thing before WW came out. I had a friend who worked
for
>>them though, so I know they had something to do with vampires and
>>wearwolves, but that's it. So what was repugnant?
>>
>>-Kevin
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:38 PM
>>Subject: RE: Underworld was(RE: romantic ideas needed???)
>>
>>
>> > No thanks. Being somewhat familiar with WW's vampires and werewolves (I
>> > played Masquerade briefly, and Wendy did an indepth article about the
>> > company and games a few years back) after a bit it got somewhat
repugnant.
>> > The concept of the clans was very interesting though. That part was
very
>> > well thought out.
>> >
>> > larry
>> >
>> > At 01:55 PM 8/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>> > >The masquerade has different sects of vampires (and werewolves, elves,
>> > >wizards and so forth).  Not all are hot, many are quite hideous.  I
would
>> > >love to see a series or movie actually based on the white wolf games
and
>> > >books.
>> > >
>> > >Tim
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:01 PM
>> > >To: CF-Community
>> > >Subject: RE: Underworld was(RE: romantic ideas needed???)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >That was much of the reason for John Carptenter's Vampires...
>> > >
>> > >"They're not romantic. Forget what you've seen in the movies. They're
not
>>a
>> > >bunch of faggots hopping around seducing everyone in rented
formalwear."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >------ Original Message ------
>> > >From: Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >Sent: Aug 28, 2003 10:20 AM
>> > >Subject: RE: Underworld was(RE: romantic ideas needed???)
>> > >
>> > > >My only problem with Underworld (which I think does look pretty
cool)
>>is
>> > > >the Vampire image. It seems since the Lestat stuff came out, the
>>concept
>> > > >of Vampires is always the same - super rich, beautiful, etc. At
least
>>in
>> > > >the films I've seen lately.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > > >> From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > >> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:56 AM
>> > > >> To: CF-Community
>> > > >> Subject: Underworld was(RE: romantic ideas needed???)
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Man doesn't that look amazing.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Someone played some white wolf when they were younger :)
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Tim
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>

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