Matt Small
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry C. Lyons
To: CF-Community
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
NO I am saying that the vast majority of the border is secured and those
areas that are not are typically very difficult to walk across. Look at the
border in Northwestern Ontario. That's mainly swamp, trees and lakes. Also
while they do not advertise it, even in these areas they are placing
electronic sensors etc to detect intrusions.
As for my assumption, if you're willing to pay for it, I can take you to
some places along the border, and I'd love to see you traverse it. I'll
even hold onto the rope to haul you out when you go in over your head.
larry
At 02:54 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote:
>I thought Tim already did that. Do I need to find a thousand more
>instances or will his do? I distinctly remember that instance as the US
>was worried that an attack would happen on the new millenium eve, and in
>fact that's what I was thinking of when I wrote it. After 911, there was
>a lot of talk that terrorists would come into the US from Canada. I don't
>know where this intelligence came from, but it was in the nightly
>news. I'm not making up lies, there's at least this one instance and I'm
>sure there are more.
>
>You're saying that the entire 3000+ mile border between the US and Canada
>is entirely unnavigable by foot? OK, that's ridiculous - you're making
>assertions that are unfounded. I'm sure you haven't been along the entire
>length of the border. My assumption that it is possible to traverse the
>border in an unattended area somewhere is far more plausible than your
>assumption that it's not.
>
>- Matt Small
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry C. Lyons
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:32 PM
> Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
> The please show this so-called documentation, just don't make assertions
> about it. Just saying its so doesn't make it true.
>
> I take it you've never been to the border, yes there are areas where it is
> difficult to patrol, for very good reason, its swamp and rock. Its not
> something where you can just stroll through. Even the locals in these
> places would not try to go through the areas. I know I spent a lot of time
> as a kid in northwestern Ontario very close to the border. It went through
> areas where you don't want to go through, unless you have no qualms about
> being up to your neck in swamp and bog.
>
> larry
>
> At 12:15 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote:
> >Excuse me, I meant that Middle-Eastern Terrorists are known to come into
> >the US via Canada. This was publicized on national news shows after 911.
> >Gosh, with this kind of story, if I were a terrorist, I would go through
> >Canada - why would I even take the chance on being taken in at US Customs
> >only to be deported and tortured? The fact that it has a HUGE
> unpatrolled
> >border with the US makes it a prime entry target. Whether or not you
> >believe it that is a matter of personal choice. I'm sure there's
> >documentation on it where it did happen as well your documentation below.
> >
> >- Matthew Small
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dharmesh Goel
> > To: CF-Community
> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:49 AM
> > Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> >
> > Hi Mathew,
> >
> > I strongly disagree with
> >
> > "The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known to come
> > into the US via Canada."
> >
> > This is a case of if a lie is told over and over again, people will
> > start believing it. The last time I checked, borders are manned and
> > controlled by US Immigration and customs at points of entry.
> >
> > Here is a discussion on this:
> >
>
> ><http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/documents/030211_blamecanada_buchanan.html>http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/documents/030211_blamecanada_buchanan.html
> >
> > Another article:
> >
>
> ><http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2003/01/19/fObserver172.raw.html>http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2003/01/19/fObserver172.raw.html
> >
> > Tons of discussion on this topic out there in cyberspace.
> >
> > Some excerpts
> > ------------------------
> > DISCLOSURE: I'm sure you remember this whole incident over the New
> Year
> > period, where there was this alert that there were five men in the
> United
> > States.
> >
> > BUCHANAN: Mm hmm.
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: And reports were that they had come from Canada, somehow
> > related to terrorism.
> >
> > BUCHANAN: And it was a hoax.
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: And it was a hoax.
> >
> > BUCHANAN: Right.
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: So, what do you make of that?
> >
> > BUCHANAN: Well it was a hoax but [laugh] they probably felt that
> > because it was from Canada it would be believed, is my guess.
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: Well is that fair?
> >
> > ------------------------
> > DISCLOSURE: -you've got a situation in this country where you had 19
> > hijackers coming through the front door, now where's the problem?
> >
> > BUCHANAN: Well it -Look the- Clearly the United States is the target.
> > And they come into our airports, they come through Canada, they come
> > through Mexico, so let's tighten-
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: Well they- who comes through Canada?
> >
> > BUCHANAN: Well- Look. We've already been over this, but-
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: Who comes through Canada though? Has there been an
> incident
> > with somebody who comes through-
> >
> > BUCHANAN: Well there are many terrorists as you know, so, [laugh] that
> > have been sitting there almost operating freely-
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: Well-
> >
> > BUCHANAN: -up in Canada.
> >
> > DISCLOSURE: Well so you say, but where's the terrorist incidents?
> > ---------------------
> >
> > Dharmesh
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:38 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> >
> > The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known to come
> > into the US via Canada. This is a suspicious situation, plain and
> > simple. I didn't agree with the fact that he was tortured or
> > deported. I said it was suspicious and I believe the right thing to do
> > is to question further. You don't have to give me one, the one taints
> the
> > other two. I don't like a lot of things going on with this kind of
> > interrogation, but they were right on the money in detaining him for
> > further questioning. Bigoted? How about realistic. Lots of people
> have
> > been "further questioned" for far less, including myself. I'm a young
> > white southern male.
> >
> > - Matt Small
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Raymond Camden
> > To: CF-Community
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:37 PM
> > Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> >
> > Wow, so you listed 3 facts:
> >
> > 1) A middle-easterner living in Canada.
> >
> > So, is Canada just a bunch of white guys?
> >
> > 2) Coming back from a Middle-Eastern country.
> >
> > So all Middle-Eastern countries are under suspicion now?
> >
> > 3) Known contact with a terrorist.
> >
> > Wasn't he a suspected, not proven terrorist? Wasn't the contact from
> > years ago? I can maybe give you this one, but the other two are
> simply
> > wrong. Bigoted at worst.
> >
> > -rc
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:40 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> > >
> > >
> > > A Middle-Easterner living in Canada, coming back from a
> > > Middle-Eastern country, known contact with Middle-Eastern
> > > terrorists. That's suspicious. I didn't say guilty, I said
> > > suspicious.
> > >
> > > - Matt Small
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Raymond Camden
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:22 PM
> > > Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> > >
> > >
> > > > I don't agree with the torture and deportation... but I
> > > > stand by the fact that it's a very suspicious scene.
> > >
> > > Why? You said he was middle eastern flying from a islamic
> > > country. Is
> > > that something rare? Doesn't this happen thousands of times
> > > a day? Is it
> > > suspicious to fly home?
> > >
> > > -ray
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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