:-o
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From: Larry C. Lyons
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:12:47 -0500
BTW Charlie what does STFW stand for?
:D
larry
At 01:20 PM 12/2/2003, you wrote:
>to address the "Is that not the purpose of this list?" question...
>
>No, it is not the purpose of this list (or any list, IMO). Not to be the
>first place to go when you hit a wall, at least. You learn by
>R'ingTFM. You learn by trial and error. You learn by googling.
>
>Everyone on this list has their own priorities and responsibilities. Yes,
>we're here to answer questions when we can...but you have to understand
>that doing so takes time away from our own responsibilities. The question
>is, why should we invest our time helping you, when you're not willing to
>invest your time helping yourself?
>
>If you don't understand arrays, you have no business working with arrays
>until you have taken the time to understand what they are and how they
>behave. You don't just start using a technology you don't understand,
>assuming that any questions you have will be answered by members of this
>(or any other) list.
>
>Just to be real clear here...this is not a personal attack on you (in
>spite of what it may look like <g>). But if there's a serious perception
>on your part that the list is the first place to go when you hit a wall or
>encounter something you don't know how to do, you need to be told that
>it's not done that way. I've told you so, and others have told you
>so. Enough others have told you so that the message should have gotten
>through.
>
>1) RTFM
>2) STFW (and if you don't know what that one stands for, search the web) :)
>3) Try again (trial and error)
>4) Ask the question. And also know how to ask "right". Saying, "i'm
>trying to accomplish (insert task here), but it keeps puking" isn't going
>to get any (helpful) answers. Explain what you want to do. Explain how
>you're trying to accomplish it. Explain the problem that you're
>encountering. If it's an error, give the error message. If it's not an
>error, but unexpected results, explain what results you expected vs what
>results you got. In short, give as much information as you can that is
>pertinent to and explains the problem.
>
>That's all for my rant. If I'm completely off base here, and others on
>the list don't mind being your first line of reference, well then I'm in
>the minority and the problem is mine. But even if that's the case (and i
>don't think it is...others can (and will) certainly let me know if i'm
>wrong), they're doing you a disservice by not forcing you to learn how to
>solve problems on your own.
>
></ $0.02>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bushy
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Dropdown selection using <SELECT>
>
> --Original Message Text---
> From: Charlie Griefer
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:20:41 -0700
>
> I don't think it's the fact that "a few tech questions" get asked
> here...but (and I'm sorry Bushy, but I'm going to be blunt) Bushy no
> longer seems to want to ask questions on cf-talk because it's been
> suggested that he doesn't do any 'legwork' on his own to try and answer
> his questions, but rather relies on the list as his first resource to get
> his question(s) answered.
>
> Is that not the purpose of this list?
>
> I'd actually say this specific question would be more on topic for this
> list than cf-talk (since it's not a cf-related question)...but I think
> some of us resent the fact that questions are asked without the
> person posing the question making any effort to solve the problem on
> his own.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Erika L Walker-Arnold
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:07 AM
> Subject: RE: Dropdown selection using <SELECT>
>
> come on guys are you really going to get a shizzled up because we ask a
> few tech questions here?
>
> Mikey D, really, are you really going to be a ball buster for this?
> All this time we've been behaving like good little children and now we
> can't ask tech questions?
>
> Sorry, but if I have any questions, this is the place I ask first.
> Some of those people on CF-Talk are vultures with no sense of humour.
>
> At least we can swing the tech question into the sex or politics arena
> after it's been answered without getting slapped.
>
> Erika
> with no smile
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:19 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Dropdown selection using <SELECT>
>
> Any chance you can move this into cf-talk. MD has already had a go about
> this.
>
> There is a distinct lack of sex or politics in your email.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 02 December 2003 14:08
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: OT: Dropdown selection using <SELECT>
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to change the "arrow" on a select dropdown using CSS or
> get
> rid of the arrow box all together?
> _____
>
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