it. Do you pay income tax, even now in England? If you do you pay for it.
That's my point, none of this is free. Those with ability are paying for
those without. At the barrel of a gun no less. Robbery on a federal level.
I am forced to help live, those that would otherwise be dead. That in some
cases have neither the will nor the ability to provide for their own lives
and wellbeing.
--
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Web Portfolio Manager
Overseas Security Advisory Council
U.S. Department of State
571.345.2319
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-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:49 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: More Breaking News
I don't care who runs it - I just said it should be FREELY available. I
also said that it would put a huge strain on the govt to privatize them
all... that's because of the cost of offering anyone a quality privatized
education...which leads one to deduce that quality public schools is the
most realistic solution.
~Simon
Simon Horwith
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-----Original Message-----
From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 January 2004 17:26
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re:More Breaking News
Quality education should be available, but not run by government, imho.
Charter schools are a step in the right direction.
Dana
>Quality education should be freely available to everyone - regardless of
>socio-economic, ethnic, or other conditions. Do you really think that
>privatizing all schools would result in a larger percentage of the
poplation
>receiving a better education? That's interesting. I'd think it makes
more
>sense to raise the quality of public schools. People who can afford good
>schools will go to them regardless of whether there are public schools.
>I've always felt that without putting a huge strain on the govt., having
>nothing but privatized schools would result in a wider gap between the
well
>educated and the poorly educated. Am I mistaken?
>
>~Simon
>
>Simon Horwith
>CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
>Member of Team Macromedia
>Macromedia Certified Instructor
>Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
>Certified Flash MX Developer
>CFDJList - List Administrator
>http://www.how2cf.com/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 07 January 2004 15:21
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>
>
> I'm a contractor. I took a tech position at fair market value. I do
not
> work FOR the government.
>
>
> That being said, the department of state is the oldest department in
the
> executive branch and almost the only one mentioned in the constitution.
> International affairs dictate the need for an organization that
provides
>for
> communication, direct and indirect, with foreign countries.
Additionally
>I
> provide security and intelligence analysis for U.S. Citizens operating
> abroad. Diplomatic Security is also the responsible law enforcement
> organization for visa and passport fraud (some of this has been eaten
up
>by
> DHS). The department of State is not the defense department or the CIA
or
> the FBI. We are here for a constitutionally mandated reason.
>
>
> Also don't get me wrong, I didn't say I am against all taxes. I know
we
> need taxes for defense and law enforcement. Now roads, education and
other
> services should all be handled at a state level, or as in the case of
the
> postal service, privately. In many cases I think we should move much
more
> aggressively towards toll roads supported by those that actually use
them,
> education that PARENTS want for their children, and by lowering the tax
> burden n parents I can assure you that parents are not going to choose
the
> garbage schools that we have now. Why not privatize all schools?
>
>
> While I know that government research, mainly defense based, is in
large
> part responsible for great technological advances, this is not
necessarily
> always the case. Xerox, IBM and Microsoft, all private companies, had
a
>lot
> to do with getting us where we are today. A few generations ago it
would
> have been Ford, GM and Dodge. Before that the railroads. Private
>industry
> is and always will be where the greatest and most powerful innovation
>comes
> from.
>
>
> Just so you know, I have my own ethical questions about where I work
and
> what I do. I am a sellout, and I know it. I have kids, and I do what
I
> need to do to give them the best life they can have. I didn't need a
>knife,
> a gun or a stick to do it. I did it with my mind. I have worked in
the
> private sector, actually starting to make something of a name for
myself
> before deciding to go the "professional" route.
>
>
> Matt were you in a socialist position in the marines? No. It was a
>service
> position. It's different and you know it is.
>
> --
> Timothy Heald
> Web Portfolio Manager
> Overseas Security Advisory Council
> U.S. Department of State
> 571.345.2319
>
> The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the
U.S.
> Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have these
> opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This
>is
> unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:05 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: More Breaking News
>
> Whoa, now Tim. You work for the US Government - that's a job provided
for
> society's benefit, making that a socialist position. Why should I pay
for
> your job?
>
> The whole point is that we make some sacrifices in order to acheive a
>safer,
> healthier society. Without taxes, we would have no roads, no public
> education, no postal service. Don't think that the private sector
would
> take over these things, because people just don't care that much about
>each
> other on a personal basis to make society better without a huge
personal
> benefit.
>
> WIthout supporting the public, you and I would not be sitting here in
forn
> of computers typing our views - we'd both be living in 1850.
>
> - Matt Small
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Heald, Tim
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:44 AM
> Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>
> Yeah god forbid we expect people to work harder. To study on their
own
> time
> to better themselves.
>
> People rise to the level of their abilities. Why is it my burden to
> support
> them in a manner better than they can provide for themselves?
>
> --
> Timothy Heald
> Web Portfolio Manager
> Overseas Security Advisory Council
> U.S. Department of State
> 571.345.2319
>
> The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the
U.S.
> Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have
these
> opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This
> is
> unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:42 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: More Breaking News
>
> Exactly. The overall cost to the country of an even poorer poor is
worse
> than the minor burden of an artificially manipulated standard of
living.
>
> Besides increases in unemployment, theft, and violent crime, there is
>also
> an associated decrease in access to base medical care which leads to
>more
> sickness and the spread of communicable diseases. With a shortened
life
> expectancy, people tend to try and have more children in order for
their
> family to survive which puts an even greater burden on the country.
>
> And besides, if people aren't making as much money who's going to buy
>all
> the SUVs and HDTVs?
>
> -Kevin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Horwith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:24 AM
> Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>
> > but the idea behind Minimum wage is that it guarantees a standard
of
> living
> > that, though still at or near poverty level, does help to guarantee
> certain
> > basic living standards. Even then, the minimum wage tends not to
> keep-up
> > with the rise in inflation. That said, if a higher inflation rate
is
> the
> > price we must pay in order to guarantee legal workers a chance at a
> decent
> > life, so be it.
> >
> > ~Simon
> >
> > Simon Horwith
> > CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
> > Member of Team Macromedia
> > Macromedia Certified Instructor
> > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
> > Certified Flash MX Developer
> > CFDJList - List Administrator
> > http://www.how2cf.com/ <http://www.how2cf.com/>
<http://www.how2cf.com/>
> <http://www.how2cf.com/>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 07 January 2004 14:02
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
> >
> >
> > I think two main things have led us through inflation and rising
> costs.
> >
> >
> > 1. Coming off of the gold standard, thanx Nixon.
> >
> >
> > 2. Minimum wage.
> >
> >
> > Why in a free market economy should the government dictate what
one
> side
> > of
> > an open trade should receive? If a person is willing to work for
>next
> to
> > nothing, should they not be able to? Also, to return to a place
>where
> we
> > can compete in a world economy as not just a service provider,
but
>an
> > industrial base, we need low pay low skill employees. As long as
>law
> > requires us to meet and exceed basic standards we cannot do so.
> >
> >
> > The only other answer would be to severely penalize countries and
> > companies
> > that don't meet the same requirements that we impose internally.
> >
> >
> > We start by exactly matching tariffs imposed by other nations
>against
> our
> > goods. Add additional tariffs to nations that don't afford their
> > employees
> > the same minimum standing of living, add even more for nations
that
> don't
> > have basic human rights.
> >
> >
> > It would be painful, maybe even start a war or two, but I think
it
> would
> > be
> > worth it in the long run.
> >
> > --
> > Timothy Heald
> > Web Portfolio Manager
> > Overseas Security Advisory Council
> > U.S. Department of State
> > 571.345.2319
> >
> > The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of
the
> U.S.
> > Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have
>these
> > opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This
> > is
> > unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:58 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
> >
> > Hey - I like cutting my own lawn.
> >
> > I'm no economist, bu i wouldn't hold your breath on seeing
minimum
> wage
> go
> > away. Quite honestly, as far as I know it shouldn't go away.
The
> goal
> > shouldn't be to do away with it so that companies can hire
Americans
> for
> > as
> > cheap as they can get illegal labor, but to legalize all of the
>labor
> to
> > the
> > extent that it all falls under minimum wage law. That way
there'd
>be
> no
> > benefit to hiring an illegal labourer as opposed to a legal one
> (they'd
> > cost
> > the same). Without minimum wage, what would protect the
workforce -
> > especially unskilled and manual labour? Of course, this would
most
> likely
> > result in even more work being outsourced to countries like
India...
> any
> > work that can be, anyway.
> >
> > ~Simon
> >
> > Simon Horwith
> > CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
> > Member of Team Macromedia
> > Macromedia Certified Instructor
> > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
> > Certified Flash MX Developer
> > CFDJList - List Administrator
> > http://www.how2cf.com/ <http://www.how2cf.com/>
<http://www.how2cf.com/>
> <http://www.how2cf.com/>
> <http://www.how2cf.com/>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 07 January 2004 13:36
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
> >
> > >We have 10.5 million illegal workers in the United States
right
> now,"
> > said
> > US Chamber of Commerce President Thomas Donohue.
> >
> > >"If they went home, we'd have to shut down the country."
> >
> > Hehe, or we'd just have to learn how to cut our own lawn again.
>:)
> >
> > Immigration is probably where I am furthest from libertarian.
At
> this
> > point
> > I am almost isolationist. I would much rather see work-fare
> programs
> > that
> > get people off the rolls of welfare and into low and no skill
>jobs.
> > Really
> > if we could do away with the minimum wage and make it so that
>these
> > companies that hire illegals because they can't afford
Americans,
> can
> > again,
> > it would be good for us all.
> >
> > Also isn't this going to encourage MORE illegal immigration, as
> people
> > will
> > see the "success stories" of people who got legal recognition.
>Plus
> the
> > way
> > many state governments are set up, don't immigrants, even
> non-citizens,
> > then
> > become eligible for social programs, like welfare and medical
> benefits?
> >
> > Yeah I can't see how any of this is a good idea.
> >
> > --
> > Timothy Heald
> > Web Portfolio Manager
> > Overseas Security Advisory Council
> > U.S. Department of State
> > 571.345.2319
> >
> > The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of
>the
> U.S.
> > Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor
have
> these
> > opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations.
This
> > is
> > unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erika L Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:27 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: More Breaking News
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
> > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
> > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Erika
> > _____
> > _____
> >
> >
> _____
> _____
>
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