Not the case. I have made a point of saying so in this thread, for your benefit, actually, since we have been here before. But hey, since you ask.... Mt Tabor Elementary, Portland Oregon - outstanding school. St Mary's Elementary, St Mary's Ga - really great kindergarden teacher, nice afterschool program. I can't remember the name of that school on W. Deer in Gaithersburg, but it was great too. Shall I continue? That school in Rockville wasn't bad. University Hills in Las Cruces -- forget it. Carlisle Intermediate in Carlisle Ohio -- so-so. Andrew Jackson Elementary in Jacksonville Florida - onsite clinic was nice, but teacher was a bully. The magnet Montessori program was fantastic, but the school did not monitor the playground. Is that nuanced enough for you?
Why does this have to be about me? I don't know why I repeated have to explain to you that just because your school in your rural corner of the Eastern Shore, was good, does nto mean that public education is good. The two are not the same. As Beth says, much depends on the school.
As for why they were mean to him, as you sarcastically say, ::shrug:: he is a gifted child with with lousy handwriting. He is not used to people hitting him. Excuse the hell outta me :)
Dana
Goto
>Stephen Decatur in Berlin Maryland and tell me why the schools are bad
>there. There are no schools that I have ever seen that are perfect,
>including private. Though a good school is able to educate thousands and
>thousands of students a day. You have the troublemakers and other kids
>who don't quite fit the mold which sometimes wind up going to a public
>but more restricted school for kids who are not going to work in a
>standard public school. But goto Stephen Decatur High School or Berlin
>Middle school or Showell Elementary school and tell me its the school
>fault for whatever happens with your kid.
>
>Tell me the details..offlist if you want but I am really curious why all
>these public schools seem to be bad to your kids. We all have to do our
>own thing with kids and school but I'm seriously and honestly curious. I
>don't mean to imply that you are a bad mom or anything so don't get mad
>I just want to try and grasp how you have such bad luck with schools.
>Either you are picking them badly or its not completely the schools
>fault? There are kids who have special needs which don't always gel with
>a public school. There are parents who always say its something else's
>fault that makes a kid do what they do. I'm not saying either is
>applicable to you I am just telling you the things that are running
>through my head so I hope you can clarify.
>
>
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:07 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Re:More Breaking News
>
>
>the key word in that statement is quality, which is incompatible with a
>government-run school in my opinion. I do agree with the part about
>freely available. I would like to see a proliferation of charter
>schools, personally.
>
>Dana
>
>>I don't care who runs it - I just said it should be FREELY available.
>I
>>also said that it would put a huge strain on the govt to privatize them
>>all... that's because of the cost of offering anyone a quality
>privatized
>>education...which leads one to deduce that quality public schools is
>the
>>most realistic solution.
>>
>>~Simon
>>
>>Simon Horwith
>>CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
>>Member of Team Macromedia
>>Macromedia Certified Instructor
>>Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
>>Certified Flash MX Developer
>>CFDJList - List Administrator
>>http://www.how2cf.com/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 07 January 2004 17:26
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re:More Breaking News
>>
>>
>> Quality education should be available, but not run by government,
>imho.
>>Charter schools are a step in the right direction.
>>
>> Dana
>>
>> >Quality education should be freely available to everyone -
>regardless of
>> >socio-economic, ethnic, or other conditions. Do you really think
>that
>> >privatizing all schools would result in a larger percentage of the
>>poplation
>> >receiving a better education? That's interesting. I'd think it
>makes
>>more
>> >sense to raise the quality of public schools. People who can afford
>good
>> >schools will go to them regardless of whether there are public
>schools.
>> >I've always felt that without putting a huge strain on the govt.,
>having
>> >nothing but privatized schools would result in a wider gap between
>the
>>well
>> >educated and the poorly educated. Am I mistaken?
>> >
>> >~Simon
>> >
>> >Simon Horwith
>> >CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
>> >Member of Team Macromedia
>> >Macromedia Certified Instructor
>> >Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
>> >Certified Flash MX Developer
>> >CFDJList - List Administrator
>> >http://www.how2cf.com/
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: 07 January 2004 15:21
>> > To: CF-Community
>> > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm a contractor. I took a tech position at fair market value. I
>do
>>not
>> > work FOR the government.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> > That being said, the department of state is the oldest department
>in
>>the
>> > executive branch and almost the only one mentioned in the
>constitution.
>> > International affairs dictate the need for an organization that
>>provides
>> >for
>> > communication, direct and indirect, with foreign countries.
>>Additionally
>> >I
>> > provide security and intelligence analysis for U.S. Citizens
>operating
>> > abroad. Diplomatic Security is also the responsible law
>enforcement
>> > organization for visa and passport fraud (some of this has been
>eaten
>>up
>> >by
>> > DHS). The department of State is not the defense department or
>the CIA
>>or
>> > the FBI. We are here for a constitutionally mandated reason.
>> >
>> >
>> > Also don't get me wrong, I didn't say I am against all taxes. I
>know
>>we
>> > need taxes for defense and law enforcement. Now roads, education
>and
>>other
>> > services should all be handled at a state level, or as in the case
>of
>>the
>> > postal service, privately. In many cases I think we should move
>much
>>more
>> > aggressively towards toll roads supported by those that actually
>use
>>them,
>> > education that PARENTS want for their children, and by lowering
>the tax
>> > burden n parents I can assure you that parents are not going to
>choose
>>the
>> > garbage schools that we have now. Why not privatize all schools?
>> >
>> >
>> > While I know that government research, mainly defense based, is in
>>large
>>
>> > part responsible for great technological advances, this is not
>>necessarily
>> > always the case. Xerox, IBM and Microsoft, all private companies,
>had
>>a
>> >lot
>> > to do with getting us where we are today. A few generations ago
>it
>>would
>> > have been Ford, GM and Dodge. Before that the railroads. Private
>> >industry
>> > is and always will be where the greatest and most powerful
>innovation
>> >comes
>> > from.
>> >
>> >
>> > Just so you know, I have my own ethical questions about where I
>work
>>and
>> > what I do. I am a sellout, and I know it. I have kids, and I do
>what
>>I
>> > need to do to give them the best life they can have. I didn't
>need a
>> >knife,
>> > a gun or a stick to do it. I did it with my mind. I have worked
>in
>>the
>> > private sector, actually starting to make something of a name for
>>myself
>> > before deciding to go the "professional" route.
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt were you in a socialist position in the marines? No. It was
>a
>> >service
>> > position. It's different and you know it is.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Timothy Heald
>> > Web Portfolio Manager
>> > Overseas Security Advisory Council
>> > U.S. Department of State
>> > 571.345.2319
>> >
>> > The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of
>the
>>U.S.
>> > Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have
>these
>> > opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This
>> >is
>> > unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:05 AM
>> > To: CF-Community
>> > Subject: Re: More Breaking News
>> >
>> > Whoa, now Tim. You work for the US Government - that's a job
>provided
>>for
>> > society's benefit, making that a socialist position. Why should I
>pay
>>for
>> > your job?
>> >
>> > The whole point is that we make some sacrifices in order to
>acheive a
>> >safer,
>> > healthier society. Without taxes, we would have no roads, no
>public
>> > education, no postal service. Don't think that the private sector
>>would
>> > take over these things, because people just don't care that much
>about
>> >each
>> > other on a personal basis to make society better without a huge
>>personal
>> > benefit.
>> >
>> > WIthout supporting the public, you and I would not be sitting here
>in
>>forn
>> > of computers typing our views - we'd both be living in 1850.
>> >
>> > - Matt Small
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Heald, Tim
>> > To: CF-Community
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:44 AM
>> > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>> >
>> > Yeah god forbid we expect people to work harder. To study on
>their
>>own
>> > time
>> > to better themselves.
>> >
>> > People rise to the level of their abilities. Why is it my
>burden to
>> > support
>> > them in a manner better than they can provide for themselves?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Timothy Heald
>> > Web Portfolio Manager
>> > Overseas Security Advisory Council
>> > U.S. Department of State
>> > 571.345.2319
>> >
>> > The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of
>the
>>U.S.
>> > Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have
>>these
>> > opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations.
>This
>> > is
>> > unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:42 AM
>> > To: CF-Community
>> > Subject: Re: More Breaking News
>> >
>> > Exactly. The overall cost to the country of an even poorer poor
>is
>>worse
>> > than the minor burden of an artificially manipulated standard of
>>living.
>> >
>> > Besides increases in unemployment, theft, and violent crime,
>there is
>> >also
>> > an associated decrease in access to base medical care which
>leads to
>> >more
>> > sickness and the spread of communicable diseases. With a
>shortened
>>life
>> > expectancy, people tend to try and have more children in order
>for
>>their
>> > family to survive which puts an even greater burden on the
>country.
>> >
>> > And besides, if people aren't making as much money who's going
>to buy
>> >all
>> > the SUVs and HDTVs?
>> >
>> > -Kevin
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Simon Horwith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:24 AM
>> > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>> >
>> > > but the idea behind Minimum wage is that it guarantees a
>standard
>>of
>> > living
>> > > that, though still at or near poverty level, does help to
>guarantee
>> > certain
>> > > basic living standards. Even then, the minimum wage tends
>not to
>> > keep-up
>> > > with the rise in inflation. That said, if a higher inflation
>rate
>>is
>> > the
>> > > price we must pay in order to guarantee legal workers a chance
>at a
>> > decent
>> > > life, so be it.
>> > >
>> > > ~Simon
>> > >
>> > > Simon Horwith
>> > > CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
>> > > Member of Team Macromedia
>> > > Macromedia Certified Instructor
>> > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
>> > > Certified Flash MX Developer
>> > > CFDJList - List Administrator
>> > > http://www.how2cf.com/ <http://www.how2cf.com/>
>> > <http://www.how2cf.com/>
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > Sent: 07 January 2004 14:02
>> > > To: CF-Community
>> > > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I think two main things have led us through inflation and
>rising
>> > costs.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 1. Coming off of the gold standard, thanx Nixon.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2. Minimum wage.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Why in a free market economy should the government dictate
>what
>>one
>> > side
>> > > of
>> > > an open trade should receive? If a person is willing to
>work for
>> >next
>> > to
>> > > nothing, should they not be able to? Also, to return to a
>place
>> >where
>> > we
>> > > can compete in a world economy as not just a service
>provider,
>>but
>> >an
>> > > industrial base, we need low pay low skill employees. As
>long as
>> >law
>> > > requires us to meet and exceed basic standards we cannot do
>so.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > The only other answer would be to severely penalize
>countries and
>> > > companies
>> > > that don't meet the same requirements that we impose
>internally.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > We start by exactly matching tariffs imposed by other
>nations
>> >against
>> > our
>> > > goods. Add additional tariffs to nations that don't afford
>their
>> > > employees
>> > > the same minimum standing of living, add even more for
>nations
>>that
>> > don't
>> > > have basic human rights.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > It would be painful, maybe even start a war or two, but I
>think
>>it
>> > would
>> > > be
>> > > worth it in the long run.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Timothy Heald
>> > > Web Portfolio Manager
>> > > Overseas Security Advisory Council
>> > > U.S. Department of State
>> > > 571.345.2319
>> > >
>> > > The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those
>of
>>the
>> > U.S.
>> > > Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor
>have
>> >these
>> > > opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations.
>This
>> > > is
>> > > unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:58 AM
>> > > To: CF-Community
>> > > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>> > >
>> > > Hey - I like cutting my own lawn.
>> > >
>> > > I'm no economist, bu i wouldn't hold your breath on seeing
>>minimum
>> > wage
>> > go
>> > > away. Quite honestly, as far as I know it shouldn't go
>away.
>>The
>> > goal
>> > > shouldn't be to do away with it so that companies can hire
>>Americans
>> > for
>> > > as
>> > > cheap as they can get illegal labor, but to legalize all of
>the
>> >labor
>> > to
>> > > the
>> > > extent that it all falls under minimum wage law. That way
>>there'd
>> >be
>> > no
>> > > benefit to hiring an illegal labourer as opposed to a legal
>one
>> > (they'd
>> > > cost
>> > > the same). Without minimum wage, what would protect the
>>workforce -
>> > > especially unskilled and manual labour? Of course, this
>would
>>most
>> > likely
>> > > result in even more work being outsourced to countries like
>>India...
>> > any
>> > > work that can be, anyway.
>> > >
>> > > ~Simon
>> > >
>> > > Simon Horwith
>> > > CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
>> > > Member of Team Macromedia
>> > > Macromedia Certified Instructor
>> > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
>> > > Certified Flash MX Developer
>> > > CFDJList - List Administrator
>> > > http://www.how2cf.com/ <http://www.how2cf.com/>
>> > <http://www.how2cf.com/>
>> > <http://www.how2cf.com/>
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > Sent: 07 January 2004 13:36
>> > > To: CF-Community
>> > > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>> > >
>> > > >We have 10.5 million illegal workers in the United States
>>right
>> > now,"
>> > > said
>> > > US Chamber of Commerce President Thomas Donohue.
>> > >
>> > > >"If they went home, we'd have to shut down the country."
>> > >
>> > > Hehe, or we'd just have to learn how to cut our own lawn
>again.
>> >:)
>> > >
>> > > Immigration is probably where I am furthest from
>libertarian.
>>At
>> > this
>> > > point
>> > > I am almost isolationist. I would much rather see
>work-fare
>> > programs
>> > > that
>> > > get people off the rolls of welfare and into low and no
>skill
>> >jobs.
>> > > Really
>> > > if we could do away with the minimum wage and make it so
>that
>> >these
>> > > companies that hire illegals because they can't afford
>>Americans,
>> > can
>> > > again,
>> > > it would be good for us all.
>> > >
>> > > Also isn't this going to encourage MORE illegal
>immigration, as
>> > people
>> > > will
>> > > see the "success stories" of people who got legal
>recognition.
>> >Plus
>> > the
>> > > way
>> > > many state governments are set up, don't immigrants, even
>> > non-citizens,
>> > > then
>> > > become eligible for social programs, like welfare and
>medical
>> > benefits?
>> > >
>> > > Yeah I can't see how any of this is a good idea.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Timothy Heald
>> > > Web Portfolio Manager
>> > > Overseas Security Advisory Council
>> > > U.S. Department of State
>> > > 571.345.2319
>> > >
>> > > The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect
>those of
>> >the
>> > U.S.
>> > > Department of State or any affiliated organization(s).
>Nor
>>have
>> > these
>> > > opinions been approved or sanctioned by these
>organizations.
>>This
>> > > is
>> > > unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Erika L Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:27 AM
>> > > To: CF-Community
>> > > Subject: More Breaking News
>> > >
>> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm
>> > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
>> > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
>> > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
>> > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Erika
>> > > _____
>> > > _____
>> > >
>> > >
>> > _____
>> > _____
>> >
>>
> _____
>
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