someone in office that stands a good chance of keeping my industry and hence
my job intact
I agree with you that neither Clinton nor either Bush had anything to do
with the rise or fall of the .com bubble. I'm still on the fence as to
whether Al Gore invented the internet.?
Cronyism exists at all levels of politics in both parties. It's not
exclusive to just Republicans.
Some of Bush's views I don't agree with, but I agree with less of Kerry's.
To me it's the lesser of two evils. Or I can waste my vote and write in Tim
Heald. Might not be a bad idea after all!
Cheers,
Jeff Garza
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From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 7:46 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Bush criticism hypocracy....
In general I think it's unwise to say "are you better off now than before"
(at least seriously) when deciding where to put your vote.
Any information gained like this is anecdotal - you're current position may
be "better" or "worse" for any number of reasons and could very well be
anomalous. Your life may be in the crapper while the economy is doing
wonderfully and vice-versa.
Also many of the systems at play are just too large to consider short-term
change. Is the executive administration really, in the grand scheme of
things the most important aspect of economic turns? No. For example did
Clinton's (or the elder Bush's) policies "cause" the economic boom of the
90's? Did they cause its collapse? Personally I don't think they had very
much to do with it. All presidents claim responsibility for good economies
and all shirk responsibilities for bad ones, but in the end I just don't
think they have as much control over them as some seem to think.
Many changes take years, if not decades to show results. You can't in all
fairness, for example, blame the state of Social Security on the current
administration. The problem was the result of many, many years.
Personally I prefer to consider how the administration considers the effects
of its decisions. Do they make decisions that don't take the future into
account? Are there decisions designed to placate their current cronies
rather than enact lasting change? Most importantly do their decisions
uphold the ideals that this country was founded on?
Giving a tax refund on the verge of some of the greatest military spending
in decades, continually blurring the line between church and state,
presenting deceptive facts, attempting to prevent millions of Americans from
benefiting from legal marriage: these are not decisions that I respect.
despite the fact that personally I'm doing better financially now that I
ever have in my life.
Jim Davis
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From: Jeff Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:47 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Bush criticism hypocracy....
Larry,
I have to say, Yes. I am better off under this administration. I work at a
company that relies heavily on Govt. defense spending. Our industry has
been growing under the Bush administration due to the increased budgets.
I guess, you have to ask yourself the same question? Are you better off
right now than you were under Clinton? I remember hearing that you just
started a new job at ATCC? Is it a better job than you had before
(benefits, salary, etc.)? Do you really think that your getting this job
had anything to do with the current administration? Does it really matter?
Cheers,
Jeff Garza
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From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:39 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Bush criticism hypocracy....
Wow I guess you must have studied long and hard at the site "The
Republican Platform for Dummies. Pardon that was not exactly fair on
my part.
The point being is that what are the differences you see between the
two campaigns? Also you need to ask yourself a serious question, are
you better off now under Shrub than you were four years ago?
>So Kerry is a better choice than Bush ?
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>He has personality equivalent to plain yogurt.
Says nothing about his policies now does that. In this case I think
that policies are more important.
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>He lies - he doesn't have a clue what "real people" are like (and I' not
>saying Bush does. but he's more real than Kerry - imo).
Again not a discussion on the ideas put forward, but a personal
attack. So if you're criticizing Kerry for his background lets not
forget Shrub . Lets compare what he's done with Shrub in that case.
Both have been children of privilege. Both went to elite schools. If
you look at Shrub's background. Its even more elitist than Kerry's.
Shrub had everything handed to him on a silver platter. When it was
decided that it was time he needed to work for a living, daddy and
his buddies got together and set up an oil company for him, then when
that didn't work out they gave him a baseball franchise - that
immediately went from a money maker to a money pit.
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>I really hate 2 faced people. he wants to "the rich" to pay - when he
>himself is rich.
And accordingly he will pay his fair share.
So in your words then its OK if you're rich and blatantly favour the rich.
Kerry has certain convictions that he's followed since he left the
service. LIke working with the VVAW, then other public interest
groups, then running for office. Much better than getting blotto for
20 years on drugs and alcohol after sneaking out of real military
service.
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>He has more wealth than just about everyone who subscribes to this thread
>have - combined. and will ever have.
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>Tax the rich. BS. I wish Kerry (and all Presidents) would simply tell us
the
>truth.
lets start with Shrub. Like the truth on his cocaine usage, or his
alcohol abuse. Or his using of Daddy's influence to get out of
serving in Vietnam. Or look at the allegations that are surfacing
this week about the deliberate ignoring of terrorist threats leading
up to 9/11. Or his lying about WMD, and Iraqi threats to the world,
or the Baathist links to Al-Queda?
How about the lies that he and his administration used to get
approval for the Iraqi invasion. Directly or indirectly Shrub is
responsible for the deaths of hundreds of US servicemen and women,
and possibly tens of thousands of Iraqis. Is it better to support
such a blatant liar.
He promised that the Iraq conflict would only take a short time, and
last only a few months. Well we're running up on the 1 year
anniversary, with no end in site.
He also stated in that it would result in less terrorism and that
Americans would be safer because of it. Are we safer, and has there
been fewer terrorism incidents?
If anything is been the opposite.
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>Kerry seems to want a foreign run United States.
Would you mid rephrasing this into English. Its quite
incomprehensible. It seems like you're missing out on most to the
rules on the English language.
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>So - why don't we just hand the country over to the French.
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>Even better - let the UN run us. that way we can all be mindless robots.
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Just waiting for the black helicopters to start flying overhead now
aren't we. Can I suggest a tin foil had to block the evil Q rays from
finding you. If you like I can suggestions some professionals in your
area that might help.
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>I dislike Kerry so much - I would vote for anyone just to stop Kerry.
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>I even liked Dean more than Kerry.
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>and I had a better image of the Democrat Party when it appeared Dean would
>be the chosen - to run against Bush.
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>Pierre
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Lets see given your name Pierre, now doesn't that suggest a motive
for wanting the French to take over.
As for Shrub, give his absolute failures, with the war on Terror, the
Iraq Conflict, and the economy (how many jobs have permanently left
the country because of his policies), his whole presidency has been a
failure. Given that he's never really held a real job, we need to
give him a taste of the real world, and fire him from his current job.
larry
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Larry C. Lyons
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