deniability its called. The phrasing was invented by a member of another
republican administration who had no qualms about breaking the law to
achieve its political goals.
larry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dharmesh Goel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:53 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: POW Abuses in IRaq..
>
>
> No disagreement. However I want to emphasize the flip side to
> this and am in no way diminishing the severity of this crime.
> Currently there is a large outcry from the Arab world where
> people from Cairo to Damascus are venting their anger towards
> the treatment of Iraqi prisoners. Major media channels are
> gathering such reactions. What they don't report on is worse
> torture on a daily basis by these same governments on their
> own people. The irony is that these states are not even at
> war and the people tortured are their own citizens. I guess
> the bigger irony is the mass amnesia by the very such people
> who are on the receiving end of torture by their governments.
> I don't believe their governments or even some of the
> citizens have a right to take the moral higher ground.
>
> Changing subjects...
> Interesting use of contractors to deflect criticism,
> responsibility and code of conduct in a theatre of war. What
> next, companies like Enron outsource their accounting
> departments. This way they can direct such outfits to
> continue with their fleecing and in case they are busted,
> they can disown responsibility and still get to keep their jobs?
>
> DG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:03 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: POW Abuses in IRaq..
>
>
> What was depicted in these photos is in no way, shape or form
> acceptable under the Geneva Convention, or under
> International Law. Regardless of whether we are dealing with
> Americans or the citizens of any other sovereign nation in the world.
>
> These men and women were not terrorists and most were not
> even suspected terrorists.
>
> This was what the report by the US Army Investigation found:
>
> * Prisoners were punched, slapped and kicked.
> * In some cases, soldiers jumped on their naked feet.
> * Male and female detainees were left naked for days at a
> time. Some were videotaped and photographed, an especially
> degrading experience for Muslims who regard being
> photographed as a sin. * Some were forcibly arranged in
> various sexually explicit positions for the photographs.
> * Naked male prisoners were forced to wear women's underwear.
> * Others were forced to perform sexual acts upon themselves
> while being photographed.
> * One naked prisoner was forced to stand on a box with a
> sandbag on his head. Wires were attached to his fingers, toes
> and penis to simulate electric torture.
> * A male military police guard had sex with a female prisoner.
>
> Other allegations have been found to be credible:
>
> * claims that soldiers broke chemical lights and poured phosphoric
> liquid on the prisoners,
> * threatened them with guns,
> * beat them with broom handles and chairs,
> * sodomized one with a chemical light
> * allowed military working dogs to bite them.
>
> The US President has rightly called these actions "Shameless
> and unacceptable".
>
> This was not right, regardless of how you wish to view it. It
> is NOT acceptable.
> These acts had absolutely nothing to do with interrogation.
>
> -Gel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:46 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: POW Abuses in IRaq..
>
> Here are some more:
>
http://rwor.org/a/1239/fallujahsidebar.htm
I still can't see anything that would prove physical violence.��Hell regular
cops are allowed to lie and use psychological tricks to get you to talk,
shouldn't the military, especially since we are not dealing with American
citizens, have the ability to use alternative methods to get information and
cooperation from prisoners?
While physical abuse is certainly banned by the Geneva convention, I am not
sure what it has to say about something like this.
SPC Timothy Heald
Rifleman
A co 1-116th Infantry(Light)
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