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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 3:43 PM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: RE: ColdFusion VS ASP Point 1

  The point of whether Allaire support was good or not is moot (although
  always found it pretty good).  Macromedia support has been good on the
other
  hand - and that is the point to make.

  If it will help I work at MetlLife and there are quite a few large (but
  Intranet) projects using CF.  I personally can't get my project to upgrade
  from 4.5, but that's a different story.  One of the CFMX projects, DAS
  ("Distributed Application Services") is used enterprise wide to manage
  application resources and updates.  Personally I work for New England
  Financial (www.nefn.com) (a fully owned subsidiary of MetLife) and we've
  using CF for many years (since v2).

  There is, of course, a tremendous amount of support from Web Resources.
  I've a short list here:

http://www.depressedpress.com/DepressedPress/Content/ColdFusion/Resources/In
  dex.cfm

  Also there are many user groups and many official and unofficial
conferences
  ( http://www.cfconf.org/ has a good list).

  Also you need to challenge their statements about support and how they've
  determined that there will very few developers in the new future.
  ColdFusion MX, as a counterpoint, has been best selling CF ever - I
believe
  MM announced that their seeing a nearly 30% "new user" buy rate (in other
  words 30% of the CFMX licenses sold are to people that never used CF
  before).

  I would be happy to stand in as a CF Reference if you need any - although
I
  can't officially claim to be a MetLife spokesperson of course.

  Jim Davis



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  From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 3:10 PM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: RE: ColdFusion VS ASP Point 1

  Here is the first of 7 points I am tasked with providing counter points
to.
  I would appreciate legitimate response if anybody cares to provide any.
  Supporting resources would be great as well.  Warning, some of these seem
  inflammatory to me, but I'm trying to be measured and professional in my
  responses.

  Thanks in advance again.

  Point 1: Support Track Record

  ColdFusion
  Macromedia acquired Allaire, the original developer. Macromedia was known
  for inadequate support. In the near future, there will be very few
  ColdFusion programmers. The remaining ColdFusion programmers will charge
  high fees. In the long run it will be expensive to maintain ColdFusion
  applications.

  There is very little support from web resources.

  ColdFusion MX was evaluated and rejected by Wyndgate Technologies.
Wyndgate
  Technologies continued with the older 4.5 version.

  VisualStudio.NET
  Microsoft is striving hard to make .NET a very popular development
platform.
  .NET came out recently and encompasses most of the components required for
  most types of applications. More and more programmers are jumping onto the
  bandwagon. It will become cost effective to go with .NET.

  There is a lot of documentation and sample code available for programmers
on
  the web.

  Visual studio 2002 came out in 2002 and includes many of the best concepts
  from several other web development tools.

  --------------
  Ian Skinner
  Web Programmer
  BloodSource
  www.BloodSource.org
  Sacramento, CA

  "C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!"
       - Cynthia Dunning

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