Hi All,
Even if the dataset doesn't have vertical information, if it includes aircraft
emissions then the physical quantity it is quantifying is the vertical integral
rather than the surface emission. In which case I would favour
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_
If there are no aircraft in the data, then do smoke stacks produce 'surface
emissions'? An interesting question that could be debated. Hence, another
advantage of tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_ is that it makes the question
moot.
BTW, FWIW, I note that the closest related standard name already in the table
specifies the downward direction
(surface_downward_mass_flux_of_carbon_dioxide_expressed_as_carbon).
On a different note, I like Alison's distinction between
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_..._due_to_anthropogenic_emission
and
surface_upward_mass_flux_of_..._due_to_anthropogenic_emission
Perhaps we should cross-reference such standard names in their descriptions to
help future users?
Best wishes,
Philip
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Dr Philip Cameron-Smith, [email protected], Lawrence Livermore Nat. Lab.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:cf-metadata-
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Pierre Friedlingstein
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:01 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] CMIP5 carbon cycle standard names
>
> Alison,
> I see your point.
> As far as I know the anthropogenic emissions data will be surface
> fluxes. Data are based on country level consumption of fossil fuel,
> they don't have the info on where in the air it is released...
> Pierre
>
> On 22/09/2010 13:04, [email protected] wrote:
> > Hi Pierre,
> >
> > My thinking here was that 'anthropegenic emissions' (which presumably
> > include fossil fuel emissions) and 'fossil fuel' emissions themselves
> > do not necessarily always occur at the earth's surface. For example,
> > emissions from tall chimneys and aircraft may occur at many levels in
> > the atmosphere. It was not clear to me that these particular
> > quantities in the CMIP5 tables are intended only to account for
> surface emissions.
> > If that is the case, then we certainly need to make it clear and I
> > agree with your suggestion to label them as surface fluxes. So
> instead
> > of introducing
> >
> >
> tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_carbon_dioxide_expressed_as_car
> > bo n_due_to_anthropogenic_emission; kg m-2 s-1
> >
> tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_carbon_dioxide_expressed_as_car
> > bo n_due_to_emission_from_fossil_fuel_combustion; kg m-2 s-1
> >
> > I will add
> >
> surface_upward_mass_flux_of_carbon_dioxide_expressed_as_carbon_due_to_
> > an
> > thropogenic_emission; kg m-2 s-1
> >
> surface_upward_mass_flux_of_carbon_dioxide_expressed_as_carbon_due_to_
> > em ission_from_fossil_fuel_combustion; kg m-2 s-1.
> >
> > OK?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Alison
> >
> > ------
> > Alison Pamment Tel: +44 1235 778065
> > NCAS/British Atmospheric Data Centre Fax: +44 1235 446314
> > Rutherford Appleton Laboratory Email:
> [email protected]
> > Chilton, Didcot, OX11 0QX, U.K.
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Pierre Friedlingstein [mailto:[email protected]]
> >> Sent: 21 September 2010 16:41
> >> To: Pamment, Alison (STFC,RAL,SSTD)
> >> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
> >> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] CMIP5 carbon cycle standard names
> >>
> >> Hi Alison,
> >> Just wondering, why are the first two variables below named as
> >> "tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of..."
> >> while all others are named as "surface_upward_mass_flux_of_ ..."
> >> Any reason ?
> >> I know the "tendency..." is used for other chemical species... But
> >>
> > here
> >
> >> for CO2 variables, I think intra-consistency should be favoured. No
> ?
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Pierre
> >>
> >> On 21/09/2010 13:40, [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Jonathan and Pierre,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you both for your comments on the CMIP5 carbon cycle names.
> >>> Looking back through this thread I think we have resolved all the
> >>> outstanding issues and so the following names are now accepted for
> >>> inclusion in the standard name table:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_carbon_dioxide_expressed_as_ca
> >> r
> >>
> >>> bo n_due_to_anthropogenic_emission; kg m-2 s-1
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_carbon_dioxide_expressed_as_ca
> >> r
> >>
> >>> bo n_due_to_emission_from_fossil_fuel_combustion; kg m-2 s-1
> >>> surface_upward_mass_flux_of_carbon_due_to_natural_emission; kg m-
> >>>
> >> 2
> >>
> >>> s-1
> >>> atmosphere_mass_of_carbon_dioxide; kg
> >>> carbon_content_of_products_of_land_use_change; kg m-2
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> surface_upward_flux_of_carbon_dioxide_expressed_as_carbon_due_to_emis
> >> s
> >>
> >>> io n_from_fires_excluding_land_use_change; kg m-2 s-1
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> surface_upward_flux_of_carbon_dioxide_expressed_as_carbon_due_to_emis
> >> s
> >>
> >>> io
> >>> n_from_grazing; kg m-2 s-1
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> surface_upward_flux_of_carbon_dioxide_expressed_as_carbon_due_to_emis
> >> s
> >>
> >>> io
> >>> n_from_crop_harvesting; kg m-2 s-1
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> surface_net_upward_flux_of_carbon_dioxide_expressed_as_carbon_due_to_
> >> e
> >>
> >>> mi ssion_from_anthropogenic_land_use_change; kg m-2 s-1
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> surface_net_downward_flux_of_carbon_dioxide_expressed_as_carbon_due_t
> >> o
> >>
> >>> _p
> >>>
> > hotosynthesis_and_respiration_and_fires_including_land_use_change;
> >
> >>> kg
> >>> m-2 s-1
> >>> carbon_flux_into_soil_from_litter; kg m-2 s-1
> >>> carbon_flux_into_soil_from_vegetation_excluding_litter; kg m-2 s-1
> >>> leaf_carbon_content; kg m-2 wood_carbon_content; kg m-2
> >>> root_carbon_content; kg m-2
> >>> carbon_content_of_miscellaneous_living_matter; kg m-2 (N.B.
> >>> 'miscellaneous' means carbon content of living matter apart from
> >>>
> >> those
> >>
> >>> individually named in the preceding three items)
> >>> wood_debris_carbon_content; kg m-2 surface_litter_carbon_content;
> kg
> >>> m-2 subsurface_litter_carbon_content; kg m-2
> >>> fast_soil_pool_carbon_content; kg m-2
> >>>
> >> medium_soil_pool_carbon_content;
> >>
> >>> kg m-2 slow_soil_pool_carbon_content; kg m-2
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> surface_upward_carbon_flux_due_to_plant_respiration_for_biomass_growt
> >> h
> >>
> >>> ;
> >>> kg m-2 s-1
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> surface_upward_carbon_flux_due_to_plant_respiration_for_biomass_maint
> >> e
> >>
> >>> na
> >>> nce; kg m-2 s-1
> >>> net_primary_productivity_of_carbon_accumulated_in_leaves; kg m-2 s-
> 1
> >>> net_primary_productivity_of_carbon_accumulated_in_wood; kg m-2 s-1
> >>> net_primary_productivity_of_carbon_accumulated_in_roots; kg m-2 s-1
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> surface_net_downward_flux_of_carbon_dioxide_expressed_as_carbon_due_t
> >> o
> >>
> >>> _p
> >>>
> > hotosynthesis_and_respiration_and_fires_excluding_land_use_change;
> >
> >>> kg
> >>> m-2 s-1.
> >>>
> >>> To cope with the various fractional vegetation coverage quantities
> >>>
> > we
> >
> >>> will use the existing standard name area_fraction and introduce new
> >>> entries of primary_evergreen_trees, secondary_deciduous_trees,
> >>> secondary_evergreen_trees, C3_plant_functional_types,
> >>> C4_plant_functional_types into the area_type table.
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes,
> >>> Alison
> >>>
> >>> ------
> >>> Alison Pamment Tel: +44 1235 778065
> >>> NCAS/British Atmospheric Data Centre Fax: +44 1235 446314
> >>> Rutherford Appleton Laboratory Email:
> >>>
> >> [email protected]
> >>
> >>> Chilton, Didcot, OX11 0QX, U.K.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
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