As I understood it, this list is a forum for CF and CF related topics. I do not understand why this thread has devolved into a (somewhat opinionated) conversation about employment with Macromedia involving two professionals I respect highly, or why people are taking sides with either of them.
Regardless, as a member of this list and with utmost respect to everyone involved, I ask that we all please return to a germane subject for the sake of those with email content prohibitions. CFTalk would most likely be a better forum this thread. M -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior Absolutely agreed Shawn...Anyone who has time to help make this community better, should do so. I myself am designing a web interface for employers and people hunting for work to be able to post via the web to look at resumes, code samples and job opportunities. Now if Michael does not want to use it when it is done, at least the offer will be made. Michael is always trying to give us "The Community" what we want as far as list features go, and our support of him is just as important. Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Grover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior > Hate to say it Matt, but I think you picked a losing battle here. > > From my humble perspective, the CF-Talk List is THE source for information > regarding CF issues, outside of the manuals, and a few books out there. As > for being the number one community, well, You're here, so is Dave, and > Michael, and Ben,and a ton of others ranging from novice to God in terms of > coding skill. Does that not describe a community? And if Micael is doing > this on his own time, isn't that philanthopic enough? Is it wrong for him > to hint that help paying the bills for supporting the community is > appreciated? I think not. > > Matt, you ARE a good programmer, and you DO know your stuff. I've seen that > simply by watching the list over the past year and a half. But, your > comments are sometimes a little rougher than I think they were intended (I > hope). Please keep in mind that written text does not convey the facial > features, or tone of voice that sometimes need to be seen to understand the > meaning. > > My thoughts.... > > Shawn Grover > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:40 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior > > > There are plenty of other people contributing to the ColdFusion > community everyday and have been for quite some time. I don't see any of > them asking jokingly or not for Macromedia to pay them. The whole point > of contributing to the community is to do it for philanthropic reasons. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > V: 415-577-8070 > F: 415-341-8906 > P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:18 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior > > > > I didn't ask for a job, I was jokingly suggesting it and it went on > from > > there. If I really wanted a job with MM, I would have offered to move > to > > the west coast to take the community managers position when it was > being > > filled. I'm quite happy here. > > Now for the fact. I do make a living in ColdFusion. It's what I do and > > have been doing for the last 7 years. I also support my community with > the > > lists and other features. I'd love to do a lot more but can't due to > the > > time and money issues. A consultant has to deal with this reality. If > I > > could find a solid company who would put up with me servicing the > > community or even profit from it, I would. It's just not the right > climate > > now. > > > > > It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia > should > > > hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia > like > > > was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and > a > > > community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what > they do > > > that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply > not > > > the way to approach it. > > > > > > Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the > ColdFusion > > > community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia > through > > > the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion > community > > > portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers > to > > > go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from > > > companies like Macromedia. > > > > > > Matt Liotta > > > President & CEO > > > Montara Software, Inc. > > > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > > > V: 415-577-8070 > > > F: 415-341-8906 > > > P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior > > > > > > > > At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > > > >If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question > > > > continues, > > > > >I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. > > > > >"If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for > asking > > > the > > > > >question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the > > > question". > > > > I > > > > >think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll > cut > > > down > > > > >on what some feel are easy or silly > > > > > > > > Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over > and > > > over, > > > > but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best > lists > > > I've > > > > ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question > that > > > some > > > > people would label stupid. > > > > > > > > >questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me > for > > > > >hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time > as > > > is. > > > > >(Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) > > > > > > > > I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this > list > > > is > > > > probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. > > > > > > > > T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
