Matt, Once again, you are making an issue on CF-Talk a personal one. Keep this professional, and lay off the drive to come out on top with this one. It really degrades the integrity of this list.
Bottom line, if **ANYONE** in your shop or mine is not mindful of bandwidth considerations REGARDLESS OF THEIR ROLE, it hurts the overall outcome of the web application. Anyone who works in this field knows that. No one is making gross generalizations of Flash, nor HTML, nor DHTML. Understand the context in which people respond to your posts. You come across strong, you will get strong responses. That said, I am finished with this thread. No need to let this one go on any further. I'm tired of the mudslinging. --Paul Paul W. Wille [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------- Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer --------------------------------------------------- ISITE Design, Inc. -- Senior Programmer www.isitedesign.com 615 SW Broadway, Suite 200 Portland, OR 97205 503.221.9860 x110 503.221.9865 -----Original Message----- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda? I didn't make any blanket statement in regard to Flash and bandwidth. I have stated over and over again that it depends on the application. My statement was in reference to the blanket statement made earlier that Flash saved bandwidth. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original Message----- > From: Wille, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:39 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda? > > Negative. A GOOD Flash developer is very mindful of bandwidth. Perhaps > you should check with the award winning Flash developer you hired. > > I am not trying to say to anyone that Flash is the end-all, be-all of web > development. Same with ColdFusion MX. What I AM saying, though, is that > the proof is oh-so-simple: when only transmitting data rather than UI > components + data, its obvious to see which will require less bandwidth. > Our Flash developers are very mindful of size/download time of their flash > components, regardless of size or complexity. I think that both you and I > can agree that Flash, when appropriated correctly, CAN save bandwidth. > The converse holds true as well. I just don't appreciate the blanket > implication that Flash ALWAYS is more bandwidth intensive. > > Let's all remember that this is an open forum, we all have the place to > hold our respective opinions, and respect others as well. > > Regards, > > --Paul > > > Paul W. Wille [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------- > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > --------------------------------------------------- > ISITE Design, Inc. -- Senior Programmer > www.isitedesign.com > 615 SW Broadway, Suite 200 > Portland, OR 97205 > 503.221.9860 x110 > 503.221.9865 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thu 8/1/2002 4:36 PM > To: CF-Talk > Cc: > Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda? > > > > That is absolutely not true. A good Flash developer will create a UI > that meets the business requirements of the application and allows a > user to easily make use of it. That may or may not use more > bandwidth > than an html based application with the same business requirements. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > V: 415-577-8070 > F: 415-341-8906 > P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wille, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:33 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash > agenda? > > > > And you are making assumptions as well here. A *GOOD* Flash > developer > > would design the Flash interface to be lightweight, preload once > (or > as > > minimal as possible), and minimize the size of his/her Flash > movies. > No > > different is the argument that CFML is slow. Those of us that > know > CFML > > know that any poor developer can write bad CFML that will > inherently > be > > slow. > > > > I fail to understand your point of view on this. I think you can > see > > where I am coming from. > > > > Paul W. Wille [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > --------------------------------------------------- > > ISITE Design, Inc. -- Senior Programmer > > www.isitedesign.com > > 615 SW Broadway, Suite 200 > > Portland, OR 97205 > > 503.221.9860 x110 > > 503.221.9865 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:26 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash > agenda? > > > > > If your whole site is in Flash it loads once. The Flash movie > is > > equal > > > to one or two rich HTML pages in size. Perform more than two > > functions > > > on your site and you're then passing less data than you would > via > > HTML. > > > That's the simplified version of how it works. I doubt Talkers > really > > > cares more about it than that, unless they're actually building > an > > app. > > > Then it's worth it to go into the specifics. > > > > > You are making assumptions. Flash gives you the ability to do > things > you > > couldn't do before in html, which could required higher bandwidth > than > > the equivalent application using html. While the extra bandwidth > may > be > > worth it for a better experience, the extra bandwidth is still > there. > > Flash applications do not inherently save bandwidth. > > > > -Matt > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
