I am also not very convinced.
They don't seem to have many differentiators vs MX (except that they don't
use Flash Authoring tool).
I wonder how they will compete with Macromedia.
We will see when they'll release their techno by the end of the year.
Flash Authoring tool might not be yet the perfect tool for "RAD-style"
development, but the MX version has been a huge step forward compare to
Flash5.
And the next release should be even better (I hope ;)).
In fact, this is also what I like with Flash : the ability to build real
applications WITH great graphics and design. It might not be a pre-requisite
for enterprise applications, but at least, you can do it if it is required.
Macromedia is the only one to provide this freedom in the interface and
navigation design (compare to other techno, see below).
And the funny things is that when people criticize Flash ("You've got art
assets on a stage and you attach scripts to
them so you've got code inside graphics" or "the back button problem"), they
are mostly talking about Flash5 issues.
Anyone here has ever tried other Rich Internet Application (or "X-internet")
technologies?
Such as :
- Altio (http://www.altio.com/),
An interesting news : "Altio, a provider of XML Presentation Server
solutions, today announced the appointment of Todd Boes to vice president of
marketing. Most recently the senior director of Macromedia�s J2EE
application server business".
And also : "Forrester Research recently named Altio one of the top five
companies delivering on the executable Internet."
- Esual (http://www.esual.com/),
- Curl (http://www.curl.com),
- Nexaweb (http://www.nexaweb.com),
They also did a Rich Internet Application "Petstore"
(http://www.nexaweb.com/petstore.htm).
Have a look on it, it is horrible, slow, plenty of bugs...
- Luxor-XUL (http://luxor-xul.sourceforge.net/),
- XWT (http://www.xwt.org),
- eNode (http://www.enode.com)...
Right now, I personnaly don't see a single one able to compete with
FlashMX::ColdfusionMX.
Benoit Hediard
http://www.benorama.com
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Ben Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Envoy� : dimanche 1 septembre 2002 05:49
� : CF-Talk
Objet : RE: Flash Rich App Approach = Macromedia?
> "Laszlo Rising: The Inside Story Of A Stealth Vendor's Rich
> App Plans"
It's an interesting approach, but I wonder how well received it will be.
There were a couple quirky & errant quotes too. One quirky one, for
example, was that they are using a "text-heavy editor". Why!? I
understand that Flash has a reputation for being the tool that makes
pretty web sites move around, but that doesn't mean it's not well suited
for application development. Using a text-heavy editor instead of Flash
is like saying you should write all your rich apps in BASIC instead of
Visual Basic. (Wasn't there something called Liberty BASIC way back
that did that?)
"You've got art assets on a stage and you attach scripts to
them so you've got code inside graphics... and other approaches
that a typical developer won't find comfortable."
That comes back to the same idea in Visual Basic. Although I don't
believe the code is necessarily "tied", it's the same idea. If I have a
combo box on my application, I click on it and I see the code for it.
"The development platform will be comfortable for both
high-end Java developers, who can take advantage of
the object-oriented nature of the platform that allows
objects to inherit capabilities from lower-level classes"
While Flash's implementation of OO is definitely not perfect, you can
still use classes and objects, etc.
" Another target audiences is the dynamic HTML and
style sheet and Javascript-savvy Web developers that
build sophisticated Web interfaces today"
Who? All two of them? <g> "Javascript-savvy" web developers are a
dying breed and for good reason -- it doesn't make sense to develop
applications in Javascript. Don't get me wrong, I like Javascript and
you can do cool stuff in it but it's too irritating learn it when
there's so many inconsistencies between browsers.
Honestly, I don't see this technology taking over the world. It will
probably turn out like Curl. Actually, anybody know how Curl is doing
now? I haven't heard that word in a long time.
Ben Johnson
Information Architect
www.architekture.com
[p] 720.934.2179
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