Great Post.. we are all supporters of CMFX and MM.. we are only want our voices to heard by MM and communicate responsible actions taken...
Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) > Jesse, > > Whilst I agree with your general point that there's possibly a > misintepretation of "doom and gloom for CFMX" within the recent threads, I'd > like to also point out that from what I can see, the developers highlighting > the problems are actually seeking help from Macromedia in order to > "continue" using CFMX - NOT in order to give up on it altogether. > > I have in fact advised a few people either within the "Long time CF > supporter" thread and also outside of it during the last couple of days, to > "go ahead and try CFMX for themselves", despite having some very obvious > problems myself - which, I am still working on solving at the moment after 3 > days - I believe I'm starting to see where the major problems lie now. > > Basically, there's a problem with the JDBC driver (thats pretty obvious). > Whilst there is also a problem with installing CFMX on a Server which had a > previous version of CF on it before, despite removing old registry keys and > directories. > > I believe Vernon has already picked up on these issues and is going to try > and raise them internally with MM. > > I don't have a problem with MM. They're doing grand as far as I can see, > considering their size. Maybe I'm just used to large corporate bureaucracy > at this stage, with much much larger and slower entities (oil and automotive > companies). Maybe too, I have come to take the cf-talk list for granted as > an effective channel for solving issues with CF - over the years. I've seen > issues raised on the list being actively tackled head on by both MM and > Allaire in the past. Yes developers are looking for what is effectively > "free" support - but it's support at a cost to the developer in terms of > time etc - e.g. I've lost almost 3 days in my current situation, but at > least I'm proactively ruling out things and feeding back my findings to the > people who may need that info i.e. MM or the CF Community. > > Just my 2c. > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 09 October 2002 13:48 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) > > > All- > > Funny, I should stop sleeping. I wanted to take a moment to address > something that is bothering me a great deal. > > Out of the huge thread yesterday, there came a lot of realizations that > Macromedia is currently examining internally, misconceptions if you will > about the way MM communicates things. > > Make no mistake, these issues are being discussed, as Sean and Vernon have > both mentioned. However, one of the things that bothered me the most was the > fact several people basically said: > > "OH NOES! CFMX is poop! I won't buy/run it until all of these horrible bugs > are fixed". > > This is what I refer too as the "Myth of Bugs". I think something many > people are forgetting is the scenario of a mailing list, or the forums. This > is the scenario that discourses the fact that mainly the only people who > will post to forums, and mailing lists in a typical day are those who have > issues. > > Now, if I read cf-talk on $RAND day, I could safely assume that CFMX was > crippled, a lame-duck to the market. Does this assumption make it true? > > No. > > It bothers me to hear people say that they will not even try CFMX out > because there are "so many" show stopping issues. I would beg the argument > that this is far, very far, from the truth. > > Those of you "dropping" CFMX or completely ignoring it because of the > debates/issues raised on CF-Talk and the Forums would be better served if > you actually downloaded and ran your application yourself, instead of taking > the "word" of the mailing lists and forums. > > CFMX, as has been stated before, was the *most* tested version of > ColdFusion *ever* put on market, I can't make this clear enough. > > I would imagine that some of the "show stopper" issues that are being > raised have either been addresses, will be address, or are simply > environmental. I would also state that the only people who raise the "CFMX > is Poop" flag are those who have hit a bug, or other issue, which is show > stopping to *them*. Remember, hundreds of people download CFMX daily (we > have the numbers that show this) and run it without issue. > > *of COURSE* those people who run into any type of problem are immediately > going to identify that problem as a "show stopper" and post to the mailing > lists and the forums screaming as loud as they can to hopefully either find > a solution or get Macromedia to help them "for free". > > I can only stress that those of you reading these lists and the forums take > everything you see with a grain of salt. Not everyone is running into these > issues, everyone is not "throwing CFMX out the window". We have *many* > customers running CFMX in production, under load, daily, fine. > > If you install CFMX, and you run it, and you find an issue, I cannot stress > enough that you contact support *immediately* to get that issue addressed > ASAP. > > I will not admit that the ColdFusion team (myself included) shipped "Poop". > I will not admit to having wasted nearly two years of my life, I know this > is *not* the case. I personally believe that the "firestorms" shown on this > list, and the forums, are not the rule, but rather the exception to the > rule. > > Please, try it out *for yourselves* before passing judgment. > > > Sorry for ranting, it bothers me. A lot. > > > Jesse Noller > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Macromedia Server Development > > "No concept man forms is valid unless he > integrates it without contradiction into the > sum of his knowledge." > - Ayn Rand > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
