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| -----Original Message----- | From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:15 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Re: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) | | | Great Post.. we are all supporters of CMFX and MM.. we are | only want our voices to heard by MM and communicate | responsible actions taken... | | Joe | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Dave Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:13 AM | Subject: RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) | | | > Jesse, | > | > Whilst I agree with your general point that there's possibly a | > misintepretation of "doom and gloom for CFMX" within the recent | > threads, | I'd | > like to also point out that from what I can see, the developers | highlighting | > the problems are actually seeking help from Macromedia in order to | > "continue" using CFMX - NOT in order to give up on it altogether. | > | > I have in fact advised a few people either within the "Long time CF | > supporter" thread and also outside of it during the last couple of | > days, | to | > "go ahead and try CFMX for themselves", despite having some very | > obvious problems myself - which, I am still working on | solving at the | > moment after | 3 | > days - I believe I'm starting to see where the major | problems lie now. | > | > Basically, there's a problem with the JDBC driver (thats pretty | > obvious). Whilst there is also a problem with installing CFMX on a | > Server which had | a | > previous version of CF on it before, despite removing old registry | > keys | and | > directories. | > | > I believe Vernon has already picked up on these issues and | is going to | > try and raise them internally with MM. | > | > I don't have a problem with MM. They're doing grand as far as I can | > see, considering their size. Maybe I'm just used to large corporate | > bureaucracy at this stage, with much much larger and slower | entities | > (oil and | automotive | > companies). Maybe too, I have come to take the cf-talk list for | > granted as an effective channel for solving issues with CF | - over the | > years. I've | seen | > issues raised on the list being actively tackled head on by both MM | > and Allaire in the past. Yes developers are looking for what is | > effectively "free" support - but it's support at a cost to the | > developer in terms of time etc - e.g. I've lost almost 3 days in my | > current situation, but at least I'm proactively ruling out | things and | > feeding back my findings to | the | > people who may need that info i.e. MM or the CF Community. | > | > Just my 2c. | > Dave | > | > -----Original Message----- | > From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | > Sent: 09 October 2002 13:48 | > To: CF-Talk | > Subject: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) | > | > | > All- | > | > Funny, I should stop sleeping. I wanted to take a moment to address | > something that is bothering me a great deal. | > | > Out of the huge thread yesterday, there came a lot of realizations | > that Macromedia is currently examining internally, | misconceptions if | > you will about the way MM communicates things. | > | > Make no mistake, these issues are being discussed, as Sean | and Vernon | > have both mentioned. However, one of the things that | bothered me the | > most was | the | > fact several people basically said: | > | > "OH NOES! CFMX is poop! I won't buy/run it until all of | these horrible | bugs | > are fixed". | > | > This is what I refer too as the "Myth of Bugs". I think | something many | > people are forgetting is the scenario of a mailing list, or the | > forums. | This | > is the scenario that discourses the fact that mainly the | only people | > who will post to forums, and mailing lists in a typical day | are those | > who have issues. | > | > Now, if I read cf-talk on $RAND day, I could safely assume | that CFMX | > was crippled, a lame-duck to the market. Does this | assumption make it | > true? | > | > No. | > | > It bothers me to hear people say that they will not even | try CFMX out | > because there are "so many" show stopping issues. I would beg the | > argument that this is far, very far, from the truth. | > | > Those of you "dropping" CFMX or completely ignoring it | because of the | > debates/issues raised on CF-Talk and the Forums would be | better served | > if you actually downloaded and ran your application | yourself, instead | > of | taking | > the "word" of the mailing lists and forums. | > | > CFMX, as has been stated before, was the *most* tested version of | > ColdFusion *ever* put on market, I can't make this clear enough. | > | > I would imagine that some of the "show stopper" issues that | are being | > raised have either been addresses, will be address, or are simply | > environmental. I would also state that the only people who | raise the | > "CFMX is Poop" flag are those who have hit a bug, or other issue, | > which is show stopping to *them*. Remember, hundreds of people | > download CFMX daily (we have the numbers that show this) and run it | > without issue. | > | > *of COURSE* those people who run into any type of problem are | > immediately going to identify that problem as a "show stopper" and | > post to the mailing lists and the forums screaming as loud | as they can | > to hopefully either | find | > a solution or get Macromedia to help them "for free". | > | > I can only stress that those of you reading these lists and | the forums | take | > everything you see with a grain of salt. Not everyone is | running into | these | > issues, everyone is not "throwing CFMX out the window". We | have *many* | > customers running CFMX in production, under load, daily, fine. | > | > If you install CFMX, and you run it, and you find an issue, I cannot | stress | > enough that you contact support *immediately* to get that issue | > addressed ASAP. | > | > I will not admit that the ColdFusion team (myself included) shipped | "Poop". | > I will not admit to having wasted nearly two years of my | life, I know | > this is *not* the case. I personally believe that the "firestorms" | > shown on | this | > list, and the forums, are not the rule, but rather the exception to | > the rule. | > | > Please, try it out *for yourselves* before passing judgment. | > | > | > Sorry for ranting, it bothers me. A lot. | > | > | > Jesse Noller | > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > Macromedia Server Development | > | > "No concept man forms is valid unless he | > integrates it without contradiction into the | > sum of his knowledge." | > - Ayn Rand | > | > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
