Yes Paris, http://www-3.ibm.com/software/webservers/coldfusionmx/
They are also doing seminars on this around the US. Mike Brunt - CTO Webapper Services LLC http://www.webapper.com Downey CA Office 562.243.6255 "Making the NET Work" -----Original Message----- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? What's the IBM push of CF you make reference of?? I assume that deal with Websphere running with CF? Paris Lundis Founder Areaindex, L.L.C. http://www.areaindex.com http://www.pubcrawler.com 412-292-3135 [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Brunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:35:44 -0700 Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > Kris, Jeff said this better than I but I can't see how putting > everything > into Microsoft and .NET gives you "the ability to roll out our apps > in > multiple formats". CF is far more cross platform than .NET overall. > > What intrigues me about many of the threads in recent weeks and > months > intimate that Macromedia's acquisition of Allaire has disadvantaged > ColdFusion somehow (I know you are not saying that I'm just jumping > on your > thrust Kris). I worked for Allaire (and enjoyed it immensely) I was > laid of > by Macromedia so could have an axe to grind. Yet my feeling <going > back to > the main point of this thread> is this is a great time for CF and all > of us > who have CF expertise. And Macromedia are listening to us! > > Two things excite me in particular, the growing integration with > Flash and > the amount of marketing muscle being applied to CF by IBM. As always > IMHO. > > Mike Brunt - CTO > Webapper Services LLC > http://www.webapper.com > Downey CA Office > 562.243.6255 > > "Making the NET Work" > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:01 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > I can just throw ColdFusion out the window we have a lot of > applications > that need to be converted so we will be using it for quite a while... > > What I envision is using CF for quick or small projects that have to > much overhead... A great example is a project I am finishing up > now... > We need to write out a bunch of text files from records sets from > oracle... A pain in the a** to do in ASP or .net but with CF it's a > breeze. > > I would like to keep it around for things like that and any flash > data > work we do but outside of that I don't see it being a major part of > any > of our enterprise applications. > > As I said before personally I will ocntinue to use CF for my business > and ecommerce sites. I love the product but I just think that the > .NET > stuff has the edge at this time... For Microsoft orgainzations that > is... > > One decision my company just made is to give up on UNIX and oracle > and > switch enitrelly to micrososft world SQL server all NT servers and > all > NET development... The prinicipal is great > > 1 company > 1 development platform > 1 programming team that all knows the same stuff > > But having been at other 100% microsoft organizations.... I have seen > what happens when you put all of your eggs in 1 basket. > > I think getting rid of Oracle on AIX & Linux is a big mistake for > us... > Especially in favor of NT based SQL server... Especially after we've > already bought oracle and set it up and have it running without > issue... > But that's a separate issue. > > But the big decision maker was the ability to roll out our apps in > multiple formats... > > If CF allowed up that then it would be a no brainer to stay with CF.. > > KP > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Whatcott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 9:48 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > Sorry to that you see it that way. Perhaps we can change your mind. > > The combination of J2EE + CFMX gives you an environment that can > scale > across the full spectrum of projects, from the smallest web form to > the > biggest mission-critical enterprise application. And you also get > true > cross-platform deployment and industry-leading rich client technology > that is light years ahead of anything else out there. > > We think the ColdFusion MX + J2EE application servers (like JRun!) > combo > delivers all the technology that an enterprise needs, and offers > critical flexibility than you don't get going with a single vendor. > > Having said all that, we think .NET is important infrastructure > technology and we will continue to offer products that integrate with > and take advantage of it. Hence the COM and web services support in > CFMX, the .NET support in Flash Remoting MX, etc. At the end of the > day, we're not religious about this platform or that platform, we > just > want to pragmatically solve customer problems. > > We believe that as you really dig into the details, you'll find that > continuing to have ColdFusion in your mix will pay off in the long > run. > > > Jeff W. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:51 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > Interesting to find some of this out. We are in a position that I > think > many organizations are in. We've been priamrilly a CF house for well > over 2 years and we purchased MX enterprise but have yet to install > it > because of the growing popularity of .NET . I really enjoy CF and > love > what I can do with it and how fast I can develop with it but... I > think > that our IT director along with a good part of me is feeling pressure > to > switch over to .NET entirely. The biggest reason is .NET's ability > to > allow us to develop for a multitude of enviroments... Thin client, > clinet server, web based etc... This will allow our organization to > have all of their programmers working on the same platform thus > creating > an internal community where everyone can help everyone else out and > learn from each other.. > > While CF is a great product, it can not offer this type of > standardization to us. I am a strong believer in CF and will > continue > to use it for development for my personal business sites as well as > any > development I contract but in a corporate enviroment where many > different applications are being developed and supported, I have no > solid reasons as to why we shouldn't switch to .NET > > KP > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 7:25 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > >The enterprise penetration of MX has been weak. MM would blame this > on the marketplace, but I'm not sold on this. > > Server version upgrade cycles in the enterprise app-server space is > around 12 months, according to those I've discussed it with. We're > really only about halfway through the cycle at this time. The overall > installed CF base is pretty healthy, and growing. Here's a partial > list > of existing CF sites we use for PR/marketing: > http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/proven/ > > Even considering the upgrade cycle in the enterprise app-server > world, > the list of CFMX enterprise sites is growing every day. The following > are a few of the CFMX sites recently sent to me: > > http://www.ecoprimalquest.com/ > http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm?countryid=19&languageid=1 > http://www.panasonic.com.au/hometheatre > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/ (some CF, some dynamic Flash content, > some > just plain HTML) http://www.reservations.broadmoor.com > > We know a lot of enterprise-level customers have upgraded to CFMX and > are in the upgrade cycle - but they don't always report back to us > when > they go live with CFMX, so feel free to send me sites that you know > of > too! > > In addition to this stuff, consider the ways Macromedia is expanding > the > CF market: > > *Ground-up rewrite in Java: This expands CF capabilities, as well as > makes CF an option to the enterprise-level sites which want the > benefits > of deploying on a the Java platform and the rapid app dev (RAD) > offered > by CF. It also means current CF customers have a way to move up to > the > Java platform without requiring they abandon their existing apps (or > their CF developers). Admittedly, this has been a challenging release > of > CF for some, but once the dust settles, CF and the CF community will > enjoy this huge leap forward. > > *We're working to deliver the information developers need to help > them > be successful with ColdFusion and our other technology offerings: > www.macromedia.com/desdev > > *We're tappiing into new markets for CF: > > -With Flash remoting, the HUGE Flash community is getting turned on > to > CF. While one can purchase Flash remoting for ASP, Flashers taking to > CF > readily because of it's shorter learning curve and RAD capabilities. > > -Dreamweaver users: OK, before you pile on me about this one, I'm not > trying to debate the CFStudio/HS+ vs. Dreamweaver issue for CFers. > Dreamweaver is ~80% of the HTML editor market, and these folks are > moving into the dynamic application/web app development space in > droves. > Dreamweaver MX makes their entry into the CF arena a snap with its > built > in server behaviors that cover the most basic stuff, and CF's shorter > learning curve and tagged based syntax makes CF a very attractive for > these new application developers. > > *We've delivered innovative products that are more integrated and > work > more smoothly with each other than ever before, offering "one-stop" > shopping for industry leading technologies. This also means that we > can > deliver well integrated technologies, and better information for > those > who are integrating these various technologies. But we've also worked > to > remain somewhat agnostic with many of these innovations; many (most) > of > these innovations integrate with 3rd party products/platforms. > > Individually, one may not be positioned to take advantage of > everything > we offer surrounding CF, but we see businesses moving into these > areas > as they begin to plan and implement new projects, and bring > additional > technologies & skills into their shops. > > It's been said Macromedia should concentrate on CF improvements and > fixes and forget everything else, but our efforts across the board > are > not mutually exclusive. We've already released one CFMX updater, and > another is fortcoming. > > Macromedia is fully behind ColdFusion and ColdFusion developers. Yes, > there is definately room for improvement, as is evidenced by some of > the > more lively discussion on this list recently. But we do listen to and > incorporate to the community's feedback, while we continue to > innovate. > Unfortunately, sometimes we can't talk about everything happening, > even > in the face of (emerging) competition. But that shouldn't be misread > as > an indication that nothing is happening behind the scenes. > > I personally think the economy has stifled some of the payoff from > Macromedia's efforts, it's stifled just about everything involving > economics! But eventually you will start to see these efforts start > to > pay off for ColdFusion and CF developers. > > Nay-sayers can say spout gloom and doom if they will, but CF is on > the > way up. We're just gettin' started! > > Vernon Viehe > ColdFusion Community Manager > Developer Relations > Macromedia, Inc. > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ > -------------------- > Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida > Architecting a New Internet Experience > Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
