This is an evolving industry, no doubt. We recognize the trend of decision making moving up the chain from developers to IT managers, and there we've got resources devoted to communicating the CF story with those folks in ways meaningful to them - but my area is here in the developer community.
Our approach has been to create new opportunities for organizations to use ColdFusion and ColdFusion developers, but at the same time, to continue to support the existing CF market. There will always shifts in who's using what, and with that, job opportunities sometimes move around. I know that's little comfort to anyone who has to look for a new job, but I think the direction we're going is on track for success in expanding opportunities in the aggregate for all involved with ColdFusion. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ -------------------- Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -----Original Message----- From: Trey Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? I mostly agree with your position that CFML is a more rapid development tool than j2ee. However, I think when you take a longer view and consider performance, security factors, availability of work force, and most importantly: range of vendor support, the ground rapidly falls out from under CFML solutions. But, more directly to the point you bring up, and why things happen the way they do... In my experience, platform decisions and systems support for these platforms are made at a tier above the development side of a large organization. Often times it is summarily decided far up the corporate ladder. I know in our scenario, the systems folks that urged us to move up to site licensing want us to recoup costs by not running tandem technologies where not critically necessary. You're argument still stands true, but in reality developer departments rarely carry enough decision making clout in most corporate or educational bureaucracies to drive these decisions. Unfortunately, we all have a hard time making this argument, and when we do, we mostly sound like we are just defending our turf. In my experience, solutions like j2ee seem to be winning in the enterprise marketplace as our desperate development teams can openly share code and effort between sub organizations without additional licensure. Since j2ee code is far more easily distributed onto different vendor servers. When we factor in the duplication of effort that exists with some groups running cf and others running j2ee, the fact that cf is more rapid begins not to hold as much water. Trey Rouse Rice University > -----Original Message----- > From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:30 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > I agree with your argument that the marketplace is not entirely to blame > for > the problems the Cold Fusion platform is facing esp. in enterprise > solutions. > > What I always want to ask people who look at this from a cost standpoint > is > (and I ask this with all due respect): Do you pay your developers to code? > Are you aware of the difference in the number of lines of code written to > accomplish the same thing on each platform? > > I support several Cold Fusion and JSP applications and Cold Fusion by far > is > geared towards faster rapid application development. I've seen CF projects > that take two days to complete take two weeks to port to JSP, and JSP > projects reengineered in CF take one-fifth the development time. Different > developers can have different opinions on what the actual time to > production > savings is, however, I have yet to meet anyone who says they can get work > done faster in JSP than CF. > > I realize that different platforms have different nuances which are > difficult to measure. But it is surprising to me that no one will try to > take up cost savings in development time over a year as the justification > for running Cold Fusion on top of J2EE. Maybe it is because no one has > produced a study or has hard metrics to back up the assertion, I don't > know. > But production time is an intangible that affects the bottom line just > like > anything else, and is ignored at one's peril. > > M ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
