I would wager to say calculating this is little in the direction of accurate.. The only true gauges there are as follows:
1. Number of servers licenses sold for new units.. upgrades don't count... 2. Number of user group members 3. Number of subscribers to relevant user/developer publications (magazines).. As far as counting the total pages... I could say there are a lot of bad programmers generally who don't reuse templates... so for every piece of data in the database they have a flat file... Given that using a ? in the URL got you dumped in the engines until Google really, there are suspec to be enough dynamic sites that aren't counted in full... Additionally, some people like to map their stuff to be other things... so CF might be processing .html extensions... Needless to say its a pretty flawed mechanism to try to count as we are... And of course, the hosted environment... 1 box 400 clients... -paris Paris Lundis Founder Areaindex, L.L.C. http://www.areaindex.com http://www.pubcrawler.com 412-292-3135 [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -----Original Message----- From: "Phoeun Pha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:16:54 -0500 Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > THat still isn't HARD FACTS. > > It could mean 4 ASP servers with 89.2 million asp pages in their > apps, and > 20 million CF servers with X CFM pages in their apps combined. I > know the > numbers are exxagerated a bit, but u get the drift > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:06 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > > Trey, I just did a very simple search on Google looked for ".cfm" got > 25.5 > million results, ".asp" 89.2 million, ".php" 106 million, ".jsp" 13.6 > million. > > Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO > Webapper > http://www.webapper.com > Downey CA Office > 562.243.6255 > AIM - webappermb > > "Webapper - Making the NET work" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trey Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:48 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > I would challenge your 'Deployed' numbers. > > Your 'Facts' don't hold much water with me. > > More than 10,000 organizations have purchased ColdFusion > More than 125,000 ColdFusion servers deployed > > The average organization purchases and deploys 12.5 licenses of CF? > Where are the numbers of deployment of CFMX? Or how about 5.0+? > > Are the dozen licenses we own but are collecting dust being counted > in > your numbers? And how many others like us? > > I would be very surprised if 90% of your customer base purchases and > deploys more than 3 servers, and of those, I bet at most 50% are > production. > > If you expect us to believe this PR dribble, I think some more > supporting information is needed. At least a basis from where these > numbers are coming from? > > Trey Rouse > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:25 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > > >The enterprise penetration of MX has been weak. MM would blame > this > > on the marketplace, but I'm not sold on this. > > > > Server version upgrade cycles in the enterprise app-server space is > around > > 12 months, according to those I've discussed it with. We're really > only > > about halfway through the cycle at this time. The overall installed > CF > > base is pretty healthy, and growing. Here's a partial list of > existing > CF > > sites we use for PR/marketing: > > http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/proven/ > > > > Even considering the upgrade cycle in the enterprise app-server > world, > the > > list of CFMX enterprise sites is growing every day. The following > are > a > > few of the CFMX sites recently sent to me: > > > > http://www.ecoprimalquest.com/ > > http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm?countryid=19&languageid=1 > > http://www.panasonic.com.au/hometheatre > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/ (some CF, some dynamic Flash content, > some > > just plain HTML) > > http://www.reservations.broadmoor.com > > > > We know a lot of enterprise-level customers have upgraded to CFMX > and > are > > in the upgrade cycle - but they don't always report back to us when > they > > go live with CFMX, so feel free to send me sites that you know of > too! > > > > In addition to this stuff, consider the ways Macromedia is > expanding > the > > CF market: > > > > *Ground-up rewrite in Java: This expands CF capabilities, as well > as > makes > > CF an option to the enterprise-level sites which want the benefits > of > > deploying on a the Java platform and the rapid app dev (RAD) > offered > by > > CF. It also means current CF customers have a way to move up to the > Java > > platform without requiring they abandon their existing apps (or > their > CF > > developers). Admittedly, this has been a challenging release of CF > for > > some, but once the dust settles, CF and the CF community will enjoy > this > > huge leap forward. > > > > *We're working to deliver the information developers need to help > them > be > > successful with ColdFusion and our other technology offerings: > > www.macromedia.com/desdev > > > > *We're tappiing into new markets for CF: > > > > -With Flash remoting, the HUGE Flash community is getting turned on > to > CF. > > While one can purchase Flash remoting for ASP, Flashers taking to > CF > > readily because of it's shorter learning curve and RAD > capabilities. > > > > -Dreamweaver users: OK, before you pile on me about this one, I'm > not > > trying to debate the CFStudio/HS+ vs. Dreamweaver issue for CFers. > > Dreamweaver is ~80% of the HTML editor market, and these folks are > moving > > into the dynamic application/web app development space in droves. > > Dreamweaver MX makes their entry into the CF arena a snap with its > built > > in server behaviors that cover the most basic stuff, and CF's > shorter > > learning curve and tagged based syntax makes CF a very attractive > for > > these new application developers. > > > > *We've delivered innovative products that are more integrated and > work > > more smoothly with each other than ever before, offering "one-stop" > > shopping for industry leading technologies. This also means that we > can > > deliver well integrated technologies, and better information for > those > who > > are integrating these various technologies. But we've also worked > to > > remain somewhat agnostic with many of these innovations; many > (most) > of > > these innovations integrate with 3rd party products/platforms. > > > > Individually, one may not be positioned to take advantage of > everything we > > offer surrounding CF, but we see businesses moving into these areas > as > > they begin to plan and implement new projects, and bring additional > > technologies & skills into their shops. > > > > It's been said Macromedia should concentrate on CF improvements and > fixes > > and forget everything else, but our efforts across the board are > not > > mutually exclusive. We've already released one CFMX updater, and > another > > is fortcoming. > > > > Macromedia is fully behind ColdFusion and ColdFusion developers. > Yes, > > there is definately room for improvement, as is evidenced by some > of > the > > more lively discussion on this list recently. But we do listen to > and > > incorporate to the community's feedback, while we continue to > innovate. > > Unfortunately, sometimes we can't talk about everything happening, > even in > > the face of (emerging) competition. But that shouldn't be misread > as > an > > indication that nothing is happening behind the scenes. > > > > I personally think the economy has stifled some of the payoff from > > Macromedia's efforts, it's stifled just about everything involving > > economics! But eventually you will start to see these efforts start > to > pay > > off for ColdFusion and CF developers. > > > > Nay-sayers can say spout gloom and doom if they will, but CF is on > the > way > > up. We're just gettin' started! > > > > Vernon Viehe > > ColdFusion Community Manager > > Developer Relations > > Macromedia, Inc. > > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ > > -------------------- > > Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida > > Architecting a New Internet Experience > > Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
