This is one of the points I thinking about earlier which escaped me as I typed - this is a perfect explanation - ESPecially regarding the momentum.
Also - someone else mentioned not cost effective past 5 people - I work with organizations that make quite a few million dollars per year ( small but should be able to affor a few $k ) Which refuse to invest in a built application OR any serious content management. As for free apps out there - I have yet to find one that truly fits the light needs of the example companies being mentioned. I think Mark hit it on the head with - "There's no real money in copy changes - in spite of the fees we charge. Maintenance issues steal time and momentum away from ongoing projects that do make money. " I personally have 1 full file box full of lengthy emails explaining a 1 sentence change on a non commerce page - of which I have had to resort to printing, dating and putting time spent on it and having it accompany a bill for those clients who bawk at a measly $200 bill one month... while I have had to read through 50 emails - print 30 of them, and note everything - All of which consumes more consumables(printer ink) and time in administration then the actual change takes - Funny thing is clients - feel that part of that time is just part of doing business and they are not responsible for that. I have a feeling that I am not the only one with 6 out of 10 clients who fit this. jay m. Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: Adam, I'm looking at using it for about 15 sites we are involved with. Remember that the VAST VAST majority of web sites out there never get any traffic and have nothing more complicated than a style sheet <g>. These are folks that pester the hosting company or original development company for copy changes. For these sites, a product like this is perfect. There's no real money in copy changes - in spite of the fees we charge. Maintenance issues steal time and momentum away from ongoing projects that do make money. I don't think this is aimed at large portal, high traffic sites in need of a complex CMS (although MM will be happy to sell to them <g>). But there IS a market for it. And like someone has already pointed out - not every site needs a database driven CF solution (although this IS a "CF" talk list :-) -mk -----Original Message----- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [ mailto:adrocknatalk@;hotmail.com <mailto:adrocknatalk@;hotmail.com> ] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?) Well I'm curious about the bottom line. Is anyone planning on implementing Contribute in a business setting? Outside of giving it to your friend you made a site for, I can't see implementing this is a real world application. After all, at 100 bucks a pop, it doesn't become very cost effective beyond 5 people. At that point you should seriously consider a real CMS. With real security and centralized rights management. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -----Original Message----- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) [ mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo@;csd.reedexpo.com <mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo@;csd.reedexpo.com> ] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?) I think there are going to be the pro camps and the con camps, I for one have decided to sit firmly on the fence until Version 2/3. Neil -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Graeme [ mailto:kgraeme@;facstaff.wisc.edu <mailto:kgraeme@;facstaff.wisc.edu> ] Sent: 12 November 2002 14:09 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?) Millions. And considering Dreamweaver is the best selling web site development app, it makes sense to have a lightweight, dumbed down content editor for those Dreamweaver sites. -Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) [ mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo@;csd.reedexpo.com <mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo@;csd.reedexpo.com> ] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?) and how many of those are around...? I mean true old fashioned pre db boom websites...? (and of which you cannot get a free editor to correct stuff..) -----Original Message----- From: John Beynon [ mailto:John.Beynon@;era.co.uk <mailto:John.Beynon@;era.co.uk> ] Sent: 12 November 2002 09:50 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?) What do you expect for $99? It's not meant for editing web applications, simply for editing websites! jb -----Original Message----- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) [ mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo@;csd.reedexpo.com <mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo@;csd.reedexpo.com> ] Sent: 12 November 2002 09:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?) yep, it hasnt not been thought through.,..if you have any kind of page which is not, lets say, normal......it will freak la sheek. -----Original Message----- From: David Notik [ mailto:dave@;digital202.com <mailto:dave@;digital202.com> ] Sent: 11 November 2002 19:39 To: CF-Talk Subject: Contribute and Fusebox (WAS RE: OT? Macromedia Contribute, is it Content Management or not?) Hmmm, it doesn't look like it works too well with Fusebox. It loaded the first page, index.cfm, and then loaded all linked pages and graphics (which is *everything*, since it all goes through index.cfm Fusebox-style). Then it wouldn't let me edit "that region of the document" when clicking any text (maybe because it's in CFCASE or CFINCLUDE?). Just FYI... --D ################### David Notik Digital202, LLC Imagination gone digital. 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