VB developers who were abandoned? I felt no more abandoned by .NET than I did with CFMX. It's just a progression. It's an evolution. I mean CF5 to CFMX was a much bigger gap and the progression from VB to VB.NET. You act as if VB and C++ don't exist. Not too mention C# is not a replacement for C++.
Further, are you spiting C# for giving you a language and CRLs to compile your code to nearly NEwhere? Hate to break it to you, but a lot of people have wanted a language like that for a long time. You can mention DAO and RDO fairly. As well as I can mention Generator and Homesite. Which were products, NOT technologies. You can't blame MS for abandoning older technologies for better ones. However, I can gripe about MM ditching a product its CTO said a year prior would not die. Only to be replaced with an inferior product. You know Ben Forta told me point blank at the Dreamweaver gripe session that advanced cold fusion developers are the minority, and they have to support the majority to be a successful company (hence WYSIWYG Dreamweaver bumps Homestie). Everyone is in it for the money. Don't spite one company and praise another when they share the same goals and faults. Bottom line is that 20 years ago I could have started as a C developer. And I could still be one today. Maybe my syntax may change a bit over the years, C - C++ - C#, but at least I'll still have marketable skills 20 years later. That is security. I just have this feeling that macromedia will sell me down the river if it can make them a profit. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -----Original Message----- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MS CF? MSFT offers developers security? You mean like the VB developers they abandoned to launch VB.NET. Or the C++ developers they abandoned for C#. Then of course there is the various technologies they have abandoned in favor of something newer that does the same thing only differently and incompatible with the last like DAO, RDO, and COM. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:44 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: MS CF? > > You can sit here and complain that MS is the bad guy, but they are not > the company you have put your faith in. I know I have the unpopular view > on this list as anti-MM, but I can tell you that if MS owned Flash, you > wouldn't have to worry about it being sold again. Same goes for Cold > Fusion. You could rest assured that the technology and education you put > into MS will still be viable in 20 years. Which is something only a fool > would say about Cold Fusion or Flash which are both still in their > relative adolescence. > > Quite frankly, MS offers developers security. Something that MM and > Allaire have failed quite miserably at (IMO). > > Rest assured though, we will probably not fall to the evil empire. If > acquiring MM is a bid to diminish J2EE, I would expect IBM or Sun to > offer a merger to counter an MS acquisition. After all, they both seemed > to have invested a great deal in Cold Fusion and its J2ee developers. > > Although I still tell every CF developer I meet to learn a new language. > Bottom line is that a broader skill set is never a detriment. > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:22 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: MS CF? > > nah - no pitying required :) > > So how would selling your MS shares after MM was acquired not be > reinforcing > your opinion below? You would both be voicing your disapproval to MS and > be > profiting from it. Seems silly as an investor to voice your opinion > before > hand based on internet speculation from the Register. > > Adam. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:58 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: MS CF? > > > > > > Well, welcome to America where you vote means nothing unless > > there is an > > amount of money tied to it. I buy stocks in companies where I > > like their > > business practices, think they have good products, and > > approve of how they > > treat their staff. > > > > Sometimes I loose money, often I make money. Because in the > > end how you run > > your business is how you wind up being treated - in this > > world or the next. > > > > I disapprove of a lot of Microsoft's business practices, and > > I think they > > are an ethically bad company. They make money - yes - but > > that is all they > > do. > > > > Plus I sleep *really* well. > > > > ALL IMHO as it is my funny green pieces of paper that we have > > put value on. > > > > (If you think it's all about the money - I pity you) > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:39 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: MS CF? > > > > > > Why would you sell it? I'm no Wall St. slickster, but > > wouldn't you make out > > well if you were suddenly in possession of $54 MS stock in > > exchange for your > > $11 MM shares? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:32 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: MS CF? > > > > > > > > > Ha, from the Robertson-Ravo news source :) > > > > > > Guess now I *don't* have to sell my Macromedia stock, whew! > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:04 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: MS CF? > > > > > > > > > its not > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: 23 December 2002 17:07 > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: MS CF? > > > > > > > > > Please tell me this isn't true. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > http://treebeard.sourceforge.net > > > http://ruinworld.sourceforge.net > > > Scientia Est Potentia > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Len Conrad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:07 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: MS CF? > > > > > > > > > http://theregister.co.uk/content/4/28667.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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