That client had 5 backend apps for higher education -- each was $10-50k. Some schools ran one, some ran all 5. The schools w/ all 5 had a proportionately smaller cost for the server but the math still sort of holds --
Old: 5 apps = 50k + 1.5k (inconsequential) New: 5 apps = 50k + 24k (50%) if they bundle it, it looks like a SIGNIFICANT price increase. Of course one would hope for a feature increase as well, or that they already have the J2EE server and just need to buy CFMX like they would CF. But the base point is still valid -- CFMX for J2EE + a J2EE server is pretty price neutral compared to CF5 if the J2EE server cost drops out (being JBoss, SunOne on a Solaris box that was going to be purchased anyhow, or if the J2EE server is already purchased for "other" purposes). So anything that drops that J2EE price accelerates J2EE/CFMX hybrid apps. That's why I'd really love to see a JBoss version. It doesn't help MM sell JRun copies, but that's already a pretty small slice and I'd guess to accelerate adoption of Jrun using CFMX as a lever , you'd want to bundle CFMX for free or close to it. Since that doesn't seem to be the case, anything that drops the price of CFMX for J2EE *without drastically changing MM's costs* is a good thing. So CFMX for JBoss requires MM to increase support costs internally since it's another app server, but it avails CFMX for J2EE to a *potentially* larger audience. To be devil's advocate -- maybe all those JBoss folks just want to use Java for everything and aren't interested in CFMX/JBoss hybrid environments. Could be the case -- I'm not a marketer. I just personally want to be able to deploy CFMX apps to JBoss (or Bluedragon). Maybe if I keep hoping really hard, it will be like CFMX for OSX -- it will just happen. Right before the big JavaOne conference.... You listening MM?!? :) Regards, John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel R. Neff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: Re: BlueDragon J2EE on OSX - Working !!! > At 02:55 PM 1/8/2003, you wrote: > > >And look at the details -- let's say the price of the app you're selling is > >$10k. $10k plus $799 for CF5 Pro on the dual proc production server and the > >dual proc stage server is a nobrainer -- less that 15% of total. And it's > >easy to manage CF -- the IT team doesn't scream to loudly. > > > >Now take the newer scenario -- my app is $10k plus $3400*4 for J2EE CFMX on > >four procs plus let's say $3-4k/processor for a good deal from IBM on > >Websphere. Now the licenses cost *twice* what the application does. Plus now > >you also need someone capable of managing a Java app server on the IT team, > >or training, or even more to contract it out. > > Is 10k for an app realistic? If a company is paying 10k for the app > they're like to use a shared hosting environment. Most of the times we > have to take purchasing software into account is when the app itself is > already over $100k, so the relative cost of the server software is smaller. > > BTW, the price for CFMX for J2EE is also per processor, so equation is: > > Price = product + (CFMX license + J2EE license) * # of > servers * # number of processor/server > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
