did i hit a nerve there, junior?
Tony Weeg writes: > well....since I don't have all day to continue this flame war that you > have > started charlie, ill simply state this. > > > 1) You are a professional Web Developer (or some such title that implies > the > same). If you're not proficient in js, learn it or risk falling behind > the > curve. > > >> Get over the title and the nuances associated. I have been > doing this > for about 9 years now, and just because I cant write > jscript like some pros > that I know very well, > I certainly have used it for many many years now. I can > write some small > stuff, but have mostly used cf logic for form validation > etc. I use it more > than I use it for anything. > > 2) cfform can only do so much. Can you compare two field values to see > if > they're equal? Can you say, 'if this field has a value then this field > cannot'? Can you do anything past the basic validation? By learning > JS, > you give yourself that ability. By relying on cfform, you are very > limited > in what you can do. > > >> I do this with cflogic, all day long, and have been for some > time now. no need > to learn javascript for this, plus the client side aspects > of jscript, have always > tuned me out. > > 3) If you truly think having CF do the work for you (in generating its > own > JS) is 'a blessing'...you are very wrong. It's a curse because it > coaxes > you in to a false sense of security while others around you are moving > forward with javascript and learning numerous other things that can be > accomplished with js. you will always be limited to checking to see if > a > field is empty. or if it's numeric. ooooh. blessing. > > >> yes checking those kinds of things are javascript, but I > wouldn't really call > them the javascript I was referring to. If I could say to > cf check this field > validate the content against a correct regExpression (for > instance validity of > an email address, and it takes me seconds to do, heck, and > its *nearly* fail proof, the > im going to use it. and then, ill be done my app much > faster than the js programmer > who has to code all of that by hand. yeah snippets and > such will make that quicker, > but its just too easy with cfform. of course I realize > the shortcomings of it, but with > cfmx, all of the shortcomings that I had noticed with cf5, > had seemingly gone away > > > Not trying to come down on you. But since you stood on the soapbox and > yelled to the world that it's 'OK' to be in this field (Web Development) > and > not be profieient in JS...well, that's your opinion and you're entitled > to > it. My opinion is that if you don't know XHTML, XML, JavaScript, CSS, > and > at least one server side scripting language (CF, ASP, JSP, etc)...and > are > content to know less...then you're in for a rude awakening. > > >> charlie, I do know most of those, I use most and more of > those on a daily basis > so, don't get into a pissing match, please, don't waste my > time. > > later > > > ...tony > > Tony Weeg > Senior Web Developer > UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > Information System Design > Navtrak, Inc. > Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping & reporting > www.navtrak.net > 410.548.2337 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:46 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: CFFORM vs FORM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:42 AM > Subject: RE: CFFORM vs FORM > > >> well, that makes sense for someone proficient in js :) >> for those of us who arent, it really is a blessing. >> >> NOTICE TO ALL WHO ARE NOT HIGHLY PROFICIENT IN JS >> CFMX AND CFFORM TAGS ARE OK !!!! > > I could not disagree with this statement more. > > For the record, I've not yet played with MX...but my comments speak to > the > usage of cfform in general. > > 1) You are a professional Web Developer (or some such title that implies > the > same). If you're not proficient in js, learn it or risk falling behind > the > curve. > > 2) cfform can only do so much. Can you compare two field values to see > if > they're equal? Can you say, 'if this field has a value then this field > cannot'? Can you do anything past the basic validation? By learning > JS, > you give yourself that ability. By relying on cfform, you are very > limited > in what you can do. > > 3) If you truly think having CF do the work for you (in generating its > own > JS) is 'a blessing'...you are very wrong. It's a curse because it > coaxes > you in to a false sense of security while others around you are moving > forward with javascript and learning numerous other things that can be > accomplished with js. you will always be limited to checking to see if > a > field is empty. or if it's numeric. ooooh. blessing. > > Not trying to come down on you. But since you stood on the soapbox and > yelled to the world that it's 'OK' to be in this field (Web Development) > and > not be profieient in JS...well, that's your opinion and you're entitled > to > it. My opinion is that if you don't know XHTML, XML, JavaScript, CSS, > and > at least one server side scripting language (CF, ASP, JSP, etc)...and > are > content to know less...then you're in for a rude awakening. > > Just my $0.02. > > Charlie > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
