junior, who the F*** do you think you are? really....man, get the hell over yourself.
im over this, you and this thread.... ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping & reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -----Original Message----- From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFFORM vs FORM did i hit a nerve there, junior? Tony Weeg writes: > well....since I don't have all day to continue this flame war that you > have > started charlie, ill simply state this. > > > 1) You are a professional Web Developer (or some such title that implies > the > same). If you're not proficient in js, learn it or risk falling behind > the > curve. > > >> Get over the title and the nuances associated. I have been > doing this > for about 9 years now, and just because I cant write > jscript like some pros > that I know very well, > I certainly have used it for many many years now. I can > write some small > stuff, but have mostly used cf logic for form validation > etc. I use it more > than I use it for anything. > > 2) cfform can only do so much. Can you compare two field values to see > if > they're equal? Can you say, 'if this field has a value then this field > cannot'? Can you do anything past the basic validation? By learning > JS, > you give yourself that ability. By relying on cfform, you are very > limited > in what you can do. > > >> I do this with cflogic, all day long, and have been for some > time now. no need > to learn javascript for this, plus the client side aspects > of jscript, have always > tuned me out. > > 3) If you truly think having CF do the work for you (in generating its > own > JS) is 'a blessing'...you are very wrong. It's a curse because it > coaxes > you in to a false sense of security while others around you are moving > forward with javascript and learning numerous other things that can be > accomplished with js. you will always be limited to checking to see if > a > field is empty. or if it's numeric. ooooh. blessing. > > >> yes checking those kinds of things are javascript, but I > wouldn't really call > them the javascript I was referring to. If I could say to > cf check this field > validate the content against a correct regExpression (for > instance validity of > an email address, and it takes me seconds to do, heck, and > its *nearly* fail proof, the > im going to use it. and then, ill be done my app much > faster than the js programmer > who has to code all of that by hand. yeah snippets and > such will make that quicker, > but its just too easy with cfform. of course I realize > the shortcomings of it, but with > cfmx, all of the shortcomings that I had noticed with cf5, > had seemingly gone away > > > Not trying to come down on you. But since you stood on the soapbox and > yelled to the world that it's 'OK' to be in this field (Web Development) > and > not be profieient in JS...well, that's your opinion and you're entitled > to > it. My opinion is that if you don't know XHTML, XML, JavaScript, CSS, > and > at least one server side scripting language (CF, ASP, JSP, etc)...and > are > content to know less...then you're in for a rude awakening. > > >> charlie, I do know most of those, I use most and more of > those on a daily basis > so, don't get into a pissing match, please, don't waste my > time. > > later > > > ...tony > > Tony Weeg > Senior Web Developer > UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > Information System Design > Navtrak, Inc. > Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping & reporting > www.navtrak.net > 410.548.2337 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:46 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: CFFORM vs FORM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:42 AM > Subject: RE: CFFORM vs FORM > > >> well, that makes sense for someone proficient in js :) >> for those of us who arent, it really is a blessing. >> >> NOTICE TO ALL WHO ARE NOT HIGHLY PROFICIENT IN JS >> CFMX AND CFFORM TAGS ARE OK !!!! > > I could not disagree with this statement more. > > For the record, I've not yet played with MX...but my comments speak to > the > usage of cfform in general. > > 1) You are a professional Web Developer (or some such title that implies > the > same). If you're not proficient in js, learn it or risk falling behind > the > curve. > > 2) cfform can only do so much. Can you compare two field values to see > if > they're equal? Can you say, 'if this field has a value then this field > cannot'? Can you do anything past the basic validation? By learning > JS, > you give yourself that ability. By relying on cfform, you are very > limited > in what you can do. > > 3) If you truly think having CF do the work for you (in generating its > own > JS) is 'a blessing'...you are very wrong. It's a curse because it > coaxes > you in to a false sense of security while others around you are moving > forward with javascript and learning numerous other things that can be > accomplished with js. you will always be limited to checking to see if > a > field is empty. or if it's numeric. ooooh. blessing. > > Not trying to come down on you. But since you stood on the soapbox and > yelled to the world that it's 'OK' to be in this field (Web Development) > and > not be profieient in JS...well, that's your opinion and you're entitled > to > it. My opinion is that if you don't know XHTML, XML, JavaScript, CSS, > and > at least one server side scripting language (CF, ASP, JSP, etc)...and > are > content to know less...then you're in for a rude awakening. > > Just my $0.02. > > Charlie > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
