doug, right I know what you are saying. And I'm first to admin that I don't dive into that end. But my friend who server it is, is a major IT guy and I don't run the sites out of the root folder and their security is top notch. Its one of the things the company does. But I hear what ur saying. And they have their servers roll over to another server if there is a problem. Personally, I have a real estate company that operates in over 35 cities in the us and canada and my email is in way over 10's of thousands of address books and I get attacks all day and I'm ok running win xp pro and I run without troubles. forgot where I was going with this, lol
My suggestion wasn't to run each site on a separate server as ur correct that wouldn't be a good financial idea. But rather get some people from here together and all chip in to buy A server and get it running and have it in control of the people involved. Maybe that extreme but at least it would be optimized for the task at hand... correct? and believe it or not Doug, I am trying to help, just maybe offering a different view. After all having different views is how thing are discovered:) Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 1:45 AM Subject: Re: Very unsatisfied with Macromedia's support attention ... > Dave > The reason hosting providers do not allow the default web site to run in Windows > 2k, is because that directory is accessible by the IP number of the server. > Most of the internet probes and Trojan attacks are directed to the IP number. > I refer you to http://dshield.org for more information. This is how we protect > the servers from SQL slammer and other virus/worms, For instance my own servers > were hit with attempted break-ins over 1500 times just today, and all were > successfully turned back. Security is how I manage to provide my clients with > the maximum up time, and avoid server crashes. My clients' comments on the > Forta web site speak for themselves. Any server software that is to be > installed, must accommodate this security. > > But rest assured it is a "Best Practices" security issue. All web sites on > the server are accessed by the http header containing the domain name of the web > site. A requirement of multi-homed servers is that each site must run > independently of the others and not have any parts step on the others. > > Setting up your own web site in the wwwroot directory and then hosting other > sites in sub-folders under that is not very secure, although I am sure many > still operate this way. I see evidence of compromised servers every day. We > both know that there are many "always on" computer users that do not bother to > even install and maintain an anti-virus program, and are so surprised when their > own machines get compromised. Others keep a automatic view pane open in their > email program, which allows executable code to run and infect the machine as > soon as email is downloaded. > > Having a separate box for each hosted web site is not an efficient way to host > sites, either. > > Explanation enough? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:17 AM > Subject: Re: Very unsatisfied with Macromedia's support attention ... > > > | im sorry, I missed the part where u r being such a big help to everyone. > | so lets hear your words of wisdom:) > | > | In dougs next message he says it pretty clearly > | "especially one in which the server admin chooses NOT to allow the default > | web site to run" > | > | = > | > | I don't think its MM fault that the host chooses to do this. > | Of course if I had a solution I would promptly say what it was. > | > | Its not mikes fault we all know that, im not faulting mike or doug. > | hell I offered to see if I could get mike set up on the server I use & im > | sure a deal coulda been worked out that woulda made him happy but he choose > | not to even acknowledge it. And then others have don't the same & still > | nothing. > | I've had many times where I tried to install something & it didn't work just > | to find out it was because of how I had configured the settling and that = > | my fault. > | > | and many people have offered to help both. But I don't think many people can > | actually do telepathy on their machines to see how they are configured. > | > | so you may not be seeing me as trying to help but I am. > | just the same as u may be trying to help but I don't see it. > | > | > | > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:59 AM > | Subject: Re: Very unsatisfied with Macromedia's support attention ... > | > | > | > yanno maybe I should rescind my vote about this thread staying on talk. Or > | > gee, how about anyone that has an actual suggestion, feel free, anyone > | that > | > just wants to suggest these guys haven't done their homework either hush > | up > | > or take Doug up on his offer. > | > > | > Dana > | > > | > Dave Lyons writes: > | > > | > > course I'd be happy if everyone got it to work:) > | > > > | > > but I think what a lot of people forget is that everything doesn't go > | with > | > > everything else. > | > > like the sun commercial "I just want this too work with that" > | > > > | > > Its like would anyone expect to put DVD into a cd-rom drive then curse > | it > | > > cause it wont work? > | > > > | > > Or this: I sell this VCD disks on eBay right. And I put right on the ad > | that > | > > it will work with most DVD players, please check your equipment to be > | sure > | > > it's compatible with yours before you buy. > | > > And yet all the time I get emails back all pissed off cause it wont play > | on > | > > their equipment. SO I ask for the model # and I look it up & sure as > | sh*t it > | > > says that it wont play VCD disks right there. So I write the people back > | and > | > > say, well its right there on the front page. But they didn't check. > | > > > | > > I guess my point is that the options or the things you fail to look at > | > > usually end up being where the problem lies. (learned that the hard way > | from > | > > my 3 medical degrees & 10 years in the er room) > | > > > | > > know don't take this wrong because I'm not putting anyone down are > | trying to > | > > insult anyone. But think about it, how many times on here have you scene > | > > someone upset and ranting at MM to only be in the end going "oh, I was > | my > | > > bad the whole time" > | > > I have scene that on almost every single one. > | > > > | > > Its hard in his case because he cant get into the server & find out > | what's > | > > going on. personally, I hope you both find your solutions:) > | > > > | > > dave > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > ----- Original Message ----- > | > > From: "Doug White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:38 PM > | > > Subject: Re: Very unsatisfied with Macromedia's support attention ... > | > > > | > > > | > > > Ha! my problem was somewhat different. when installing updater 3 from > | the > | > > > console, the system freezes up and after a power down reboot, the OS > | will > | > > not > | > > > load to the point of the login screen, requiring the repair disks and > | > > recovery > | > > > console, manually removing all CFMX stuff, and starting over. > | > > > > | > > > But I doubt all is lost at this point, because I am receiving phone > | calls > | > > and > | > > > email from some folks at MM to assist, and perhaps by this time next > | week, > | > > I > | > > > will be a happy camper again. At least I don't have to call the other > | > > side of > | > > > the planet, like Michael does. > | > > > > | > > > The other bad news was that the Spurs lost game 2 to the Knicks. > | > > > > | > > > ====================================== > | > > > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! > | > > > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > | > > > ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 > | > > > ====================================== > | > > > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! > | > > > > | > > > ----- Original Message ----- > | > > > From: "Charlie Arehart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:04 PM > | > > > Subject: RE: Very unsatisfied with Macromedia's support attention ... > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > | Wow, hopefully someone will take you up on the offer. It's a great > | way > | > > for > | > > > | someone who really wants to to be able to solve the problem with a > | > > working > | > > > | failure (what an oxymoron!) > | > > > | > | > > > | But it sounds like you're referring to something other than the > | simple > | > > "CFMX > | > > > | not starting after reboot", right? Just want to clarify. > | > > > | > | > > > | /charlie > | > > > | > | > > > | > -----Original Message----- > | > > > | > From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > > > | > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:06 PM > | > > > | > To: CF-Talk > | > > > | > Subject: Re: Very unsatisfied with Macromedia's support attention > | ... > | > > > | > > | > > > | > > | > > > | > Hey Charlie > | > > > | > I am not proud. I will give someone remote access to my box with > | > > > | > full admin > | > > > | > privileges and let them try to install the updater. > | > > > | > > | > > > | > I did finally get CFMX running sans updater. > | > > > | > I even tried it via the command line parameters someone sent to > | > > > | > me - no joy. > | > > > | > > | > > > | > This is a fresh new box - all the goodies and a fresh OS install > | > > > | > with nothing > | > > > | > else (yet) except URLScan (and yes, I know how to configure that > | > > > | > to run with CF) > | > > > | > to interfere. > | > > > | > It does have the requirement to support multiple web site > | > > (multi-homed) > | > > > | > > | > > > | > Doug > | > > > | > > | > > > | > ====================================== > | > > > | > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! > | > > > | > For CF hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > | > > > | > ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 > | > > > | > ====================================== > | > > > | > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! > | > > > | > > | > > > | > ----- Original Message ----- > | > > > | > From: "Charlie Arehart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > > > | > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > > > | > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 6:30 PM > | > > > | > Subject: RE: Very unsatisfied with Macromedia's support attention > | ... > | > > > | > > | > > > | > > | > > > | > | The inability of CFMX to run at startup is not new nor unique > | > > > | > to Mike. My > | > > > | > | machine has suffered the problem for many months. It's not a > | > > production > | > > > | > | server but my laptop, so I haven't gotten excited about it, but > | I > | > > can > | > > > | > | understand Mike's frustration with the problem. > | > > > | > | > | > > > | > | I do like some of the solutions that have been offered, and > | indeed > | > > will > | > > > | > | likely apply one of them myself, but in Mike's case if he needs > | > > > | > the problem > | > > > | > | solved on a box where the Admin's won't apply one of those > | > > > | > fixes, I think > | > > > | > | it's understandable that he wants it solved. > | > > > | > | > | > > > | > | Of course, problems like this can be notoriously difficult to > | > > resolve. > | > > > | > | Sometimes they are resolved as user errors, or indeed to > | > > configuration > | > > > | > | issues such as the now-infamous 16-color video card. The best > | > > > | > we can hope is > | > > > | > | that someone will read this thread and offer the definitive > | > > > | > answer, if not > | > > > | > | MM. Then we'll all get and hopefully spread the word so others > | > > > | > don't suffer > | > > > | > | it. > | > > > | > | > | > > > | > | /charlie > | > > > | > | > | > > > | > > | > > > | > | > > > | > | > > > > | > > > | > > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
