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To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: RE: RE: CF or .net?


> Java is owned by Sun Microsystems Incorporated.  There is a community
process in place that recommends changes to Java, but the final authority
rests with Sun.

Yeah -- second that. Sun has not released Java to a standards body (ANSI,
ISO, ECMA, etc). Sun employees chair most if not all of the committees for
the Java Community Process (JCP) and most importantly, Sun has the only veto
power for the Java community process. Sun owns Java. Of course BEA and IBM
(and to a lesser extent, JBoss) actually are the ones who figured out how to
build and sell Java servers... and thus have a lot of market clout.

Of course MS got ECMA to ratify part of .NET as a standard for what that's
worth.... :)

That said, they act a lot like a benevolent dictator -- and occasionally,
Sun-sponsored initiatives even get rejected (most recently, 4 JCPs in the
wireless/handheld world). Their veto let's them *prevent* anything they want
from getting in Java, but does not let them *force* anything into the Java
spec either. And there's a new JCP to make the JCP itself more transparent
to the community -- which should help even more.

Regards,

John Paul Ashenfelter
CTO/TransitionPoint


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