Sandy,

I did not mean to come off as negative at all.. All I was saying is that the
book is not shipping yet, and not a great deal of documentation is available
yet... making it more difficult for people to get involved during the alphas
and betas. I don't begrudge anyone, nor am I ungreatful for the free
architectures that are provided... I am sorry I cam off that way.

Mike



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sandy Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 7:35 AM
Subject: RE: FuseQ Documentation?


> Re FB4: I know that some stuff is going to go up soon. But since FB4 is
just
> now coming out of beta (and changing rapidly while doing so) I don't think
> anything specific could come up.
>
> I don't know much about Mach-ii other than that its still in Alpha and
> probably will be going through the same thing.
>
> Then again, you could always take what is up on the site, go through the
> core files (especially the parser which goes through the xml grammar part)
> and start playing.  I've written an bunch of small applications for
testing,
> which has helped my knowledge immensely and the Fb4 email list off of
Yahoo
> and the forums list have been good when there have been problems.
>
>
> As to the training and books (I will state here that I am lucky enough to
be
> one of the authors of the book so you can attribute some bias to my
words),
> both Hal and John have spent countless hours creating a framework that
> benefits many of us everyday in the getting paid for work we do.  The
> framework is free.  I however do not begrudge them the fact that they
would
> like to have something to show at the end of the day besides thanks.
Since
> this is a community of professionals, I think it is incumbent upon us to
all
> contribute something.  For many of us it will be plugins, or articles
> detailing how to do something in Fusebox 4.
>
> I don't know where the attitude came that the people who make this framewo
rk
> available for free have to do everything for us for free.  That they "owe
> us" something.
>
> So rather then starting a flame war on this subject, I propose something
> constructive.  Come up with an idea to give back to these communities
(FB4,
> CFMX).  Write an article, come up with an idea to share.  Give back.
>
> (I'm putting my money where my mouth is), I've already written VTML's and
a
> toolbar for FB4.  IT will be up on the site in the next week or two.
Anyone
> want to write the help files for them?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FuseQ Documentation?
>
>
> One thing I have noticed as of late is that the documentation on FB is not
> that involved... unless you buy the books of course. Mach-II has a new
site
> up and lots of hype about Mach-II, but no documentation.. just advertising
> for trainings and books, which again cost more money, but no
> documentation...
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jamie Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 3:48 PM
> Subject: SOT: FuseQ Documentation?
>
>
> > The techspedition site does a lot of talking about the virtues of
> > FuseQ, but has very little in the way of meaty documentation, unless I
> > missed something.
> >
> > Does anybody know where I can find what I'm looking for
> > (documentation)? I just signed up for the Yahoo Groups FuseQ mailing
> > list, but I've got to wait for who-knows-how-long for "membership
> > approval."
> >
> > While I'm at it, I might as well ask my question here: When to use
> > StartOfQ and when to use AddToQ? I started out using just AddToQ,
> > within an MVC Fusebox/FuseQ app, but in at least one case, CF can't
> > find the AddToQ method, but it *can* find it if I scope the AddToQ
> > method to request within techspeditionFBcoremethods_CF50_v3_00_21.cfm.
> >
> > I suspect I shouldn't have to do this, though, and that I am doing
> > something wrong.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jamie
> >
>
> 
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