That was basically what I was getting at... My general impression of it was that I don't know how possible it is to predict the potential longevity of any given piece of code, so that's why I found it strange to hear it described as being for "consistency across multiple versions". I could be wrong tho.
> I wouldn't say there's a potential to change, I would say > it *will* change, eventually. That's just the nature of > what we do. The great things we build today will be > obsolete eventually. Look at it as, does this framework > (fusebox, struts, whatever) help me today build better > applications? Just deal with the changes as they come. > As for me, I think fusebox and mach-ii have made a nice > progression based on the technologies of the day. > Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:14 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: re: Mach-II > Isn't there always the potential that the xml dialect may > change for the purpose of facilitating new features in the > framework? >> It's not just for cross-language purposes, Isaac, though >> that is >> important (we've got people working on PHP, Python, and >> Lasso with .NET >> and Java to come shortly) but just as importantly, for >> consistency >> across multiple versions. Even if we change the internals >> of the >> framework between versions, the XML will provide a >> consistent interface >> to the framework. >> Hal Helms >> "Java for CF Programmers" class >> in Las Vegas, August 18-22 >> www.halhelms.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:18 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Re: re: Mach-II >> Yep... I wasn't really in touch with where you folks were >> in that >> process (finishing the beta, getting documentation done, >> etc.)... I >> wasn't griping -- I had just noticed several people point >> to >> http://beta.fusebox.org and had the impression that this >> response was >> roughly equivalent of: >> Q. Can you explain relativity to me? >> A. Relativity is relative. >> :) >> I'll admit that until I read something specifically about >> converting >> mach-ii apps to other languages my basic reaction to the >> addition and >> application of the xml was to think it was gratuitous -- >> i.e. xml for >> the sake of xml instead of xml for the sake of meeting a >> goal. Though in >> retrospect it makes sense if you're trying to create an >> architecture >> that makes it easier to port applications to disparate >> languages. >> Isaac >> --- Hal Helms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hopefully, by the time we launch Mach-II, we'll have >>> time >>> to write a >>> much more accessible guide. Without some sample code to >>> work with, >>> we're left with speaking in abstractions that, while >>> true, are not >>> real helpful as far as providing specifics. >>> >>> Hal Helms >>> "Java for CF Programmers" class >>> in Las Vegas, August 18-22 >>> www.halhelms.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:51 PM >>> To: CF-Talk >>> Subject: RE: Re: Mach II >>> >>> >>> I think the general idea was that he found the info on >>> that site >>> confusing -- which is why he was asking for an "idiot's >>> guide"... I >>> don't find it surprising... the verbiage is rather >>> weighty... For >>> instance: >>> >>> This headline: Event-Based, Implicit Invocation >>> Architecture >>> on this page: >>> http://beta.fusebox.org/index.cfm?method=FuseboxMX.basic >>> C >>> oncepts >>> >>> Note that the method is labelled "basicConcepts" ... but >>> the verbiage >>> isn't very basic... I think the average new person >>> attacking that site >>> is probably looking for something much more >>> accessible... >>> Unfortunately >>> I don't have any good alternative verbiage off the top >>> of >>> my head. >>> >> ===== >> S. Isaac Dealey 972.490.6624 >> Lead Architect Tapestry CMS http://products.turnkey.to >> Tapestry API is Open Source http://www.turnkey.to/tapi >> Team Macromedia Volunteer >> http://www.macromedia.com/go/team >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design >> software >> http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ~ >> ~~~~~~~~~~~| >> Archives: >> http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 >> Subscription: >> http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. >> cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 >> FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq >> Your ad could be here. 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