Not to sway too far from what's currently being discussed but is there any chance that a *NIX version of DW will be made?
Aren't a majority of the people who use php more into Linux and Unix? If they really wanted to get more php users a *NIX version would probably pique their interest. One of the main reasons I don't switch to linux full time is because I can't use DW and photoshop. I know I could use wine but it's not the same to me. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:39 PM Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > Something you have to remember is that Dreamweaver was quite popular > before MM had CF in it's toolkit. You can't expect them to totally > change the strategy of an already popular tool just to please the CF > community. There's a large DW community as well and they do not all - or > even most - use CF. > > Marketing is targeted to increase sales in a certain area. CF developers > already buy DW and are keenly aware of it, there is no competing product > for CF developers, it's the other folks that need to be introduced to it > and need to be shown how it compares to their current tools. > > Granted, I pretty much stopped using DW when MX rolled out, but lots of > people love it. You can't expect MM to stop schmoozing it's pre-existing > customer base and ONLY focus on CF. Seriously now, you don't want all > those ASP and PHP folks spending their money somewhere else - the beauty > of it is that all of those people who buy DW and use it to code PHP and > ASP are contributing to the future of MM and CF with their funds. > > In the end, I think having an IDE that welcomes other developers is an > excellent R&D opportunity as well. If MM knows what ASP and PHP coders > are doing, what their tools offer, etc. it gives them better insight on > how to keep CF competitive - or one step ahead as is the current > situation. > > I think that would be a better angle for you than touting Dreamweaver as > your IDE, to say that all of those people coming in to do ASP > development obviously believe in Macromedia - they use their tools. Then > you can tell them the other developers are just too cheap to fork over > the $ for a real App Server and that's why they choose ASP :) > > Joshua Miller > Head Programmer / IT Manager > Garrison Enterprises Inc. > www.garrisonenterprises.net > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (704) 569-0801 ext. 254 > > ************************************************************************ > ************* > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, > except where the sender states them to be the views of > Garrison Enterprises Inc. > > This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is > addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and > advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ************************************************************************ > ************* > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:15 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > > Listen, > > I am by far not the only one that has responded to this topic,so don't > make it appear as though I'm bitching up a storm unnecessarily. > > >From Ben Forta's reply, the thread has been read and salient portions > sent onto the right people. > > Ergo the discussion has helped in whatever small way. > > Ciao. > -Angel > > P.s. in answer to your questions: > > "Are you saying that your clients will choose whether or not to > give you work based on the IDE you use?" No. > > "Further, are you saying that you pitch CF as a solution to your clients > partly because of DW MX?" > > Because of MM support for DWMX and it's assistance in RAD for CF,and the > fact that it has become well known, It is worth mentioning as part of a > pitch to provide a CF Based solution. > (You may want to check Microsoft's website and their case studies which > always mention the Microsoft Visual IDE used and how it enhances the > .NET platform and makes it easy for developers to provide their > solution, if this confuses you.) > We have mentioned Dreamweaaver MX as an example that the application > server has a mature and cohesive IDE behind it and is part of the larger > MM vision and product suite.We have illustrated the fact that it uses > industry standard development environments same as .ASP and PHP,in > response to client's questions about the maturity of Coldfusion as > opposed to .ASP and whether future expansion of their solution will be > stymied because of loss of support for emerging technologies. It helps > when answering questions sitting face to face with a client to whom > 'Coldfusion' is something alien, and Microsoft is an old friend.We > mention Flash too, btw. And I don't think that's ludicrous at all. > > I don't know about you, but we compete for projects against .ASP > developers in our particular market for web solutions. For some clients, > and sadly usually the larger ones, .ASP is more attractive, and CF must > be 'sold' to them. It's forced us to expand to encompass providing .ASP > solutions. > > So do I think that having a well known product like DWMX in your corner > helps during a sales pitch? Yes I do. Much better than saying we use > Notepad to create your corporate website, when the other guy comes in > talking about the "Visual Studio .NET suite" and how they can change the > world with it, and oooh look at these nice case studies...see what we > can do for you. > > "I'm sorry, but that just sounds ludicrous to me" > Perhaps next time you should wait for me to answer...if my answer to > your diatribe matters that is. Either way I've said what I've had to say > and won't be responding to this thread any longer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I have a quick question for you, since this is the second time you've > suggested it. Are you saying that your clients will choose whether or > not to > give you work based on the IDE you use? Further, are you saying that you > > pitch CF as a solution to your clients partly because of DW MX? I'm > sorry, > but that just sounds ludicrous to me -- how I do my work is > inconsequential > to getting it done as far as the client is concerned. I think Macromedia > has > a lot of other positives you can point to if you need to pitch their > stability as a company to your client (which, again, I think is > ludicrous). > > Look, I understand you're not very happy with DW 2004 (even though it > sounds > like you haven't even seen it yet). And yes, I would agree that there's > probably been some marketing missteps regarding the CF community (as > others > have pointed out, including some employees themselves). But you're > making an > awful lot of noise about a non-released product. If you're so > dissatisfied, > can you direct your frustrations to the proper people at Macromedia. I'm > > sure you'll be able to find their e-mail addresses on their web site. > I'd > like to get back to learning/helping people on the list with technical > issues. > > Regards, > Dave. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
