Many hardware devices make use of web application servers for various reasons. The best example I can give is networking equipment, which is now generally managed via a web interface provided by the device. It is also my understanding that Java is used heavily in this area.
-Matt On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 04:47 PM, Bryan Stevenson wrote: > Hmmm...OK..so why even build a web app....why not build a > client/server app? > I guess knowing what they do would help....but anyways...back to work > ;-) > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > t. 250.920.8830 > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Macromedia Associate Partner > www.macromedia.com > --------------------------------------------------------- > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group > Founder & Director > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Wilker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:11 PM > Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > >> Nope they are independent. That's why CF is not cost effective. Were >> they > to >> connect to a single server there wouldn't be a problem >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:44 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? >> >> >> Well if your little devices are using web apps why would you need a > licence >> per device? Do these devices not connect to a web server that is >> serving > up >> these apps? Wouldn't you only need a licence for that server? >> >> Perhaps I missed something. >> >> Oh ya...and there are cheap versions (Standard)...and as Matt L. >> said....BlueDragon >> >> Cheers >> >> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. >> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development >> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. >> t. 250.920.8830 >> e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> Macromedia Associate Partner >> www.macromedia.com >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group >> Founder & Director >> www.cfug-vancouverisland.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Wilker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:38 PM >> Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? >> >> >>> Exactly Matt, >>> >>> Whenever the topic of which app server to go to price has almost >>> always >> been >>> what kills CF in my experience. When money is no option it's fine, >>> but >> money >>> is more and more becoming the object. >>> >>> It's one thing to say CF is still cheaper than BEA or whatever on a >>> per >> CPU >>> type of deal, but the small shop that has a single CPU webserver, >>> doesn't really car that they are saving money compared to the BEA >>> licenses they're not interested in. >>> >>> The one thing (I've said it before) that I'd love to see would be >>> some >> sort >>> of low cost version of CF (no verity, maybe less DB support, maybe no >>> sandboxes and such) that can be used on devices that use a web app. >>> My >>> company sells such devices and I'd love it if all of them ran CF >>> apps, >>> but 1k - 5k per unit is way too much for software. (Our units also >>> only have >> one >>> CPU) >>> >>> I wish I could propose a model that lets MACR charge less or nothing >>> for >> MM >>> but I know they need to make money. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Matt Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:06 PM >>> To: CF-Talk >>> Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? >>> >>> >>> I would think one reason is the cost of the CFServer. Every person >>> I've talked to that is outside of the CF development world tells me >>> the reason they never got into ColdFusion or don't get into it is >>> because of the >> cost. >>> Although I really enjoy CF, PHP and MySQL are basically free. It's >>> very difficult to convince someone to switch from paying nothing to >>> having to dump thousand into just owning the license. Then having to >>> pay for the >> pipe >>> and servers on top of the CFlicense costs. Although we are all aware >>> of >> the >>> numerous ways to cut the costs like leasing the license, it still >>> deters people for making the jump. Just my experience when I work >>> with ASP, PHP, and JSP folks. The competition is too much for MM >>> when >>> the competitors products are free, even with the capability issues >>> that the others don't offer. >>> >>> My2cents >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:51 PM >>> To: CF-Talk >>> Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? >>> >>> >>> Sure, just take a look at MM's SEC filings. They detail what product >>> lines produced what revenues. Generally speaking, the documents lump >>> all server-side software sales together, so one could make the >>> argument that >> it >>> is JRun that is actually shrinking and CF. However, having >>> participated in the MM earnings conference calls, they tend to break >>> down the sales >> figures >>> better orally. >>> >>> For example, from their 10-K filling... >>> >>> Our Software Tools products had net revenues of $270.1 million in >>> fiscal year 2003, as compared to $242.5 million in fiscal year 2002. >>> This >> increase >>> was primarily due to the launch of new Software Tools products and >>> new >>> versions of existing Software Tools products, including our MX family >>> of products and Macromedia Contribute. Macromedia Studio MX, which >>> was >> launched >>> in the first quarter of fiscal year 2003, represented approximately >>> 31% of our net revenues in the current fiscal year. While sales of >>> Macromedia Studio MX did result in a decrease in sales of our >>> stand-alone products >> that >>> are included in our Studio MX bundle, aggregate sales from all of our >>> MX products increased by 13% in fiscal year 2003 as compared to >>> fiscal >>> year 2002. This increase was partially offset by a decline in net >>> revenues from our Server Software products, primarily Macromedia >>> ColdFusion MX. Server Software product revenues decreased to $53.0 >>> million in fiscal year 2003, >> as >>> compared to $60.1 million in fiscal year 2002. This decrease was >>> primarily due to continued pricing pressures resulting from a very >>> competitive >> market >>> environment, partially offset by releases of new versions of existing >>> products during the current fiscal year. >>> >>> -Matt >>> >>> On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 02:38 PM, Tyler Silcox wrote: >>> >>>> Matt wrote: The market for ASP and PHP is growing, while the CF >>>> market is shrinking. >>>> >>>> Do you have any evidence of this, or is it a personal >>>> observation/opinion? (I'm not challenging you, I just have a >>>> professional curiosity...) >>>> >>>> Tyler >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:48 PM >>>> To: CF-Talk >>>> Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? >>>> >>>>> Granted, I pretty much stopped using DW when MX rolled out, but >>>>> lots of people love it. You can't expect MM to stop schmoozing it's >>>>> pre-existing customer base and ONLY focus on CF. Seriously now, you >>>>> don't want all those ASP and PHP folks spending their money >>>>> somewhere else - the beauty of it is that all of those people who >>>>> buy DW and use it to code PHP and ASP are contributing to the >>>>> future of MM and CF with their funds. >>>>> >>>> I disagree with the above statement. The market for ASP and PHP is >>>> growing, while the CF market is shrinking. Certainly, there is >>>> reason right now for Macromedia to support ASP, PHP, and CF, but at >>>> what point does the size of >>>> each respective market force MM to focus DW on only the largest >>>> markets, >>>> namely ASP and PHP? >>>> >>>> Matt Liotta >>>> President & CEO >>>> Montara Software, Inc. >>>> http://www.MontaraSoftware.com >>>> (888) 408-0900 x901 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
