- Do you use our Search?  Another technology?  Why? Why not?

We don't use the CF Search feature, the time to perform the indexing operation is too long. We do use both MSSQL Server Full Text Indexing (limitations come into play at around 1.4 million records though), and a product from Engenium called Semetric. Neither solution is exactly what we want.

The biggest problem with Verity is the indexing speed. Just because you can search fast, doesn't mean it really helps, the slow indexing speed appears to make a trade of in accuracy (indexing always lags behind data) for that speed. Which really isn't acceptable for us.

- Do you use a K2 server?  Did you know it goes faster if you do? :-)

Because of the limitations in performance and capability (not talking about number of documents), we consider Verity to be an inferior solution and are unable to justify investing time in their other lines.

- What document types do you index?

We index word, pdf, html, rtf, txt files, but also specifically database records.

- How many documents do you index?

We have a large number of clients, and some of them have over a million records.

- How many collections do you have?

Quite a few, but of course it isn't Verity.

- What features do you like?

The ablity to return relevant and up to date records quickly.

- What features are we missing?

You've answered that yourself, the biggest problem is the indexing speed, and can be a show stopper. It would be a hard sell for us to try another version of Verity.

- Calvin


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tom Jordahl
  To: CF-Talk
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:03 AM
  Subject: How to make ColdFusion Verity/search better?

  I sent this out at the end of a longer thread and got 0 responses.  Since that *never* happens on CF-Talk, I figured everyone just skipped the thread. :-)

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  > I agree with Matt.  The Verity that comes with CF sucks.  Hard.

  So.

  I am in the process of planning what Blackstone will have in terms of search technology.  I am interested in hearing what people have to say about Verity in ColdFusion.

  If you want to make sure I see your feedback, you can CC me when you send your response to the list, hopefully with "Verity" or "search" in the subject somewhere. :-)

  Sample questions:
  - Do you use our Search?  Another technology?  Why? Why not?
  - Do you use a K2 server?  Did you know it goes faster if you do? :-)
  - What document types do you index?
  - How many documents do you index?
  - How many collections do you have?
  - What features do you like?
  - What features are we missing?

  By the way, we just had a meeting with Verity last week.  Their new 5.x (we currently ship version 2.6.1) stuff looks very nice.  When I asked them about their indexing speed, they said something along the lines of "We are not the fastest indexing, but we are the fastest search technology hands down."  We hope to enhance Blackstone in such a way that indexing speed will be improved, both with changes in our code and by updating the underlying search technology.  So while "make it go faster" is a reasonable thing to ask, assume we will attempt to do this.

  --
  Tom Jordahl
  Macromedia Server Development
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