Mike, Just as an FYI, for installation myself, I just drop Spike's latest nightly build into the <path>\eclipse\plugins directory and it just seems to work.
You are correct that support is currently dependent on goodwill, but I'm fairly confident that when something is broken in Dreamweaver, you will still be in the same boat. If they can't offer a work around for you, MM most likely will not do an update just for your problem. Case in point, HomeSite doesn't support Unicode properly. MM's solution is to edit in notepad and no longer save from HomeSite when the BOM needs to be set to Unicode(ref: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_19059 ). I'm not entirely sure that kind of resolution could be considered superior support. The ColdFusion community, in general, has repeatedly told MM that they aren't satisfied with the DW solution for CF development, and has repeatedly asked for HomeSite+ to be improved and built upon, and MM has not done that, but instead has not released a major version in roughly 6 years, including not fixing issues like the above. Alternatively they could add all the features of HomeSite to Dreamweaver and make it work like HomeSite in certain areas (divided folder/file view for example? support for CVS possibly? How about SCCM support? ) And then we'd also be better off. But instead we get neither, a gimped DW for a HomeSite replacement, or a gimped HomeSite in various areas (Unicode support), that isn't moving forward. You can demand all you like, but in practice it doesn't seem to work out that sufficient response comes of it for these commercial paid for apps. Just some random thoughts, Calvin -----Original Message----- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia Calvin not quite. CFEclipse, I can see, is a terrific development, but as I found to my cost, if installation doesnt go right, it's very very difficult to fix. Support is dependent on the ample goodwill of the people developing it, but still there is no obligation on anyone to make sure it all works. This is no criticism of the folks who are developing the CFEclipse product, but I found it difficult to download (It took more than an hour to start downloading by the time i negotiated the maze of sourceforge) and then installation didn't go perfectly - I wasn't sure which of the 45 files i was supposed to be downloading, and even then it wasnt a fullly bundled package. So. having a problematic download and installation, everything went downhill from there. Several of the patient and helpful people working on CFEclipse tried to help, but unlike a paid-for package like StudioMX, I had no right to DEMAND support. I could not insist on whatever it took to get it all going properly for me. IN the end i had to just cross it off my list as another probably-good-product-i-have-to-have-another-go-at-one-day. That's the difference between a user-supported open source application and a fully commercial paid-for app. In the case of CFEclipse, I can see if it all goes well, it's a very versatile and developer-oriented product. If it doesnt all go well it's a bloody nightmare. It's the same with the open source CMS Farcry. If installation goes well, it's obviously straightforward. If you hit a snag you can't DEMAND someone help you fix it, you are reliant on the goodwill of other users. If they lose patience with your problem or run out of ideas, there's no obligation on them to stick with you. I had a non-standard setup with Farcry, and despite several days of working at it, with the assistance of several other users, I couldn't get it going in my setup before I reached decision time. So I had to dump it. If I'd bought and paid for it, I could have said "you guys fix it so it works and dont whine to me about the cost". Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:37:45 -0500, Calvin Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eclipse + CFEclipse is eclipsing any offer from Macromedia in terms of truly > supporting ColdFusion. > > Every time I fire up WSAD for Java development for WebSphere, or even > Eclipse, I shake my head at the whole DW/HomeSite/CF Studio debacle. > > - Calvin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190198 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
