A few points I would like add to this discussion. 1). It's too late for the MM to stop CFEclipse. It's way to late. This community has been asking those guys build a better IDE for ColdFusion for at least 2 years and for the most part we have been ignored. Period. Point Blank. We tried to work with DW. It just did not add value to anyone on our development team and as for Homesite, OK what can it really offer above CFStudio? So we did not adopt those products, we visited MM's website less often, and we pretty much shook our head at the rest of there product line.
2). IMHO their getting to messy, to bloated, losing focus and the politics that are natural with the big company with large differsified product lines competing for limited resources has with out a doubt stiffled the development of CF IDE. Big time. 3). As for CFEclipse, our team knew that we were being underserved by MM and after discovering CFEclipse we realized just how much so. Now, at least for me, it's difficult to really respect the ColdFusion Brand. Notwithstanding the fantastic advances with the CFMX server, they pretty much left us out in the cold. 4). The whole MM promise of RIA development with Flash and Coldfusion. Remember that. OK who's doing that? Somebody over at MM got too excited and decided to introduce a new product line: Flex. Good idea we needed an easier development tool for RIA projects but Flex, for CF developers, Who's kidding who? I feel comfortable saying that Flex is consider by most CF developers as a new and different product line that MM offers. Just like Breeze, Contribute, Authorware, Robo, there not really for us. RIA was suppose to be the fruits of CF and Flash, not a new thing in and of itself. 5). MM has missed the mark on CF development IDE and I think Open Source is going to make it happen. How long did they expect us to wait. And frankly there really nothing that can do, I don't think, and in fact nothing they should do to intervine. Let someone else develop a dedicated CF IDE (one without all that designers crap). 6). Good business opportunity for a team of MM CF developers tired of the politics: quit and start a company that offers an enhanced version of CFEclipse. I would be willing to pay good money for this. That's my 2 cents. Dwayne D. Cole, MS in MIS, MBA Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190193 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54

