Oh no.. not again .. this gets boring. As you might have read, I actually do like and use the product, but I noticed some things which need improvement. Am I allowed to comment on that for a product which costs $200.000 for 150 participants? Thank you very much. 1: Get some insight info on support, or even look for 10 seconds at the forums. Scratch your head, and come to the conclusion I might be right.
2: Read my points, ... why certain things didn't work out well. I am not coming up with nonsense arguments. 3: There are several other products on the market. Please don't be Macromedia blind, and look further at other possibilities. Some people really act like Macromedia gave birth to them. 4: I work with the Macromedia products since they started delivering Flash, so don't even go there. ;) 5: Stop the hilarious DHTML discussion (which seems to come out of nowhere), you making a fool of yourself, which makes it hard for me to handle you with the respect you might deserve. Come with arguments, instead of flames, it might turn out a valuable discussion after all. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- -----Original Message----- From: Jared Rypka-Hauer - CMG, LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 11 maart 2005 9:33 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is breeze worth it? Hey, Micha... Maybe you could write a fully-implemented DHTML replacement for Breeze? That way we'd have more choice that Breeze and WebEx, both of which are spendy. I mean, if anybody can do it... All the doomsday gets old... the day you can reproduce Breeze (or Flex, or Flash Video, or FlashForms IN THEIR FULL IMPLEMENTATION WITH THE SAME EASE), feature for feature, and use well-constructed metrics to prove it superior... I'll buy in. That's counting memory leaks, connectivity issues, browser issues, and any other relevant complicating factor. Considering that Ben Forta's recent Breeze on CFMX7 featured screen sharing, an audio stream, 300+ attendees, and ran just fine, in real time, the whole time, I'm a bit confused. I've seen it do what you seem to be saying it can't... if that's not what you're saying, perhaps you could clarify. As far as support is concerned... nobody in their right mind would set up an in-house LAN without support staff, outsourced or in-house. I've seen it done, and it never works out well... why? Because if you can't support it you shouldn't try to use it. Perhaps that was your point... I'm just coming at it from the other side. It's not Macromedia's fault that Breeze takes some expertise to support any more than it is Bill Gates's fault that an Exchange Server takes some technical expertise to support or than it is Linus's fault that Linux takes some expertise to support. The way you express things, you come off, almost always, with a very snide attitude toward Macromedia... like they're simply out to piss you off because they think it's fun. Hell, maybe they do... I should try it, they might know something I don't. What I do know is this: Given the option between Breeze and WebEx, until your full DHTML implementation of the exact functionality, I'd take Breeze any day. Like you said, it just feels good. Laterz, J On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:57:20 +0100, Micha Schopman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Damien, > > I would look at a different solution of you are a small company and > looking at a standalone license. A different story when you are looking > at the pay per minute license. > > Support for Breeze is really awful. Questions on the Macromedia forums > remain unanswered. And what I heard from persons having insight > information about Breeze, the product is priced so high because they > can't afford to provide service to small companies, they simply do not > have the resources for it. No problem for big companies using Breeze, > like T-Mobile and ABN Amro which get first class tickets but a big > problem for smaller business. > > We use Breeze Live on a pay-per-minute-per-participant basis, and > honestly. Overall, I do like the product. It has that "Wow!" feeling, > and the ease of using it when you only need the Flash Player is > tremendous. It has some issues, regarding usability, and the site > covering Breeze is really difficult to unwrap into what each type of > product does. > > The negative points I mentioned about usability are for example: > > When screen sharing a window, popups opened by that window are not take > into account. You have the option though to perform a full screen > sharing, but this also means the participants see your Breeze Live > interface too. In our case we have a product which opens edit boxes in > popups, and thus giving us problems. > > Tuning is required for running a smooth session, we have quite some > upload bandwidth here, but we had to turn the web cam pod off or else > the speech is useless. It was like Ho.. Do Yo.. L.ke our pr.d.ct ? We > could have used 56k but that turned out to decrease the screen sharing > image quality that much we got yellow, instead of windows buttonface > colors. You don't want your designed product to look like windows 3.11 > in a sales presentation. > > Then my main point was that you need to make a participant a presenter, > in order the let them speak or use a webcam. I wish all participants > would receive this functionality instantly, and that the presenter would > be able to mute them afterwards. Providing them that presenter > functionality however also enables them to make recordings, .. we didn't > like that. > > Then we have the collaboration part, we were unable to really > collaborate. Only the presenter was able to make drawings, which is > pretty useless if you want the other party to draw on the business > process schemes you just showed them. > > Micha Schopman > Project Manager > > Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort > Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 > KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----- > Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren > de interactie met uw doelgroep. > Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer > informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: vrijdag 11 maart 2005 0:03 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Is breeze worth it? > > I showed the sales director a link to breeze and he was blown away by > it. Naturally enough the issue of cost came up and he is a little > hesitant but we might be able to push for it. My question to you is > whether anyone has a) bought/licensed it and whether you think it is > worth the cost? He's thinking of primarily using it for training > materials but there's also the possibilities of having special member > sessions online (we're an MLM). > > -- > Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ > <http://www.thelimucompany.com/> - 407-804-1014 > #include <stdjoke.h> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. 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