ENOUGH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Robert Everland III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:21 PM
Subject: RE: Hotel Booking Engine up
> I think the product is worth much more than that.
>
> Not to try to make people pay more, but if I were you I would determine
the
> price based on who is buying it.
>
> Something like this from us could anywhere from 7k to 15k depending on the
> client. If Marriot came to us and wanted a Hotel booking system we would
> charge them much more than 10k just because of the amount of money they
> stand to make on the product. I could see us charging hotels six figures
> just because they could make millions.
>
> Just as long as you don't do what Macromedia did to flash generator, At
> least $30,000 per web site per server.
>
> I think you created a good product that seems to be easily customizable
and
> could make many people a lot money.
>
> At 10:09 PM 9/11/2000 -0400, you wrote:
> >You know you're right and it wasn't my first decision to sell it for
$5,000
> >I consulted someone else. So in light of this discussion I will now have
the
> >same deal all source codes, SQL scripts, tech support and updates for a
year
> >now only for $500. I have not and would not want to pay too much for an
> >application and I hope $500 is a more fair price with everyone. Thanks
for
> >the feedback from the forum.
> >
> >
> >Bob Everland
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Scott, Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:09 PM
> >To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> >Subject: RE: Hotel Booking Engine up
> >
> >
> >That is a fair comment to make, and I can say that the experince is the
same
> >here. I do contract work for companies who require my services, and the
code
> >I use always is written from scratch, for legal reasons. But because I
have
> >done it once before or even twice before I find that I can complete it
> >faster the next time I need to do it, not to mention its always better
the
> >next time around as well.
> >
> >However without getting into any legal issues, I can look at something
and
> >see how its written without looking at the code. This makes me unique in
a
> >way I guess, because I find that it saves me a lot of trouble buying
things
> >when I can write the code from what I see on the screen in terms of
> >functionality.
> >
> >So that it why I made the origianl comment, I have been programming now
for
> >20 years, and in this time I have seen MANY shareware or modules like
this
> >one where I belive the price to be too high, only because I know the that
> >the cost it would take me to do it would be far less, it would also work
the
> >way I want it to work and I would also have the source code to play with
as
> >well and could make the changes etc without the support of a 3rd person.
> >
> >We now live a world that is connected by wires, geographic location and
> >expereince don't really come into the picture. If I had the time, I could
> >clean up my code to be released just as this person did and have it sell
for
> >$1000 (Aus) which is about $500 (us) we will always be competing on a
world
> >scale, so just because it took someone 1 hour or 20 hours is not an
issue,
> >demand is not an issue but being competative is.
> >
> >All I am saying is that when marketing something, look at Microsoft for
> >instance. If MS was to sell the Windows products nobody could afford
them,
> >because the R&D into developing these would be too high and nobody would
buy
> >the product. Good marketing is knowing how to sell your product, and not
get
> >a quick buck out of it.
> >
> >I mean would you buy an application written in Coldfusion that cost more
> >than CF itself, I know I wouldn't and would prefer to program it myself.
I
> >just wanted to point out that it may have taken 20-100 hours to develop
but
> >there are applications out there that took maybe 50 times longer with
1000
> >times more functionality for less than the price of this application.
People
> >tend to foget this when setting a price for their products:-)
> >
> >Anyway thats all I need to say on this subject.
> >
> >
> >
> >regards
> >
> >Andrew Scott
> >ANZ eCommerce Centre
> >* Ph 9273 0693
> >* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Gregory Gooden (Annex) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: 12 September 2000 12:45
> >To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> >Subject: RE: Hotel Booking Engine up
> >
> >
> >
> >An interesting thread...
> >
> >The truth is, a single defined application can take one person 1 hour to
> >accomplish, and another one 20 hours to accomplish, and the rates that
each
> >person charges will vary by geography, demand, confidence in price
> >sensitivity, etc.
> >
> >Amazingly enough, there is no way to determine whether the 1 hour job
will
> >be better or worse than the 20 hour job, and price doesn't always
correlate
> >with quality.
> >
> >A friend of mine once shared the following cool goodie with me;
> >
> >"Pick any two: good, fast, cheap"
> >
> >Implying that you could NEVER get all three. Over the years, I've
discovered
> >that to be a true-ism for the most part (there are exceptions), both in
what
> >my company can produce, and what I can get from vendors or employees.
> >
> >When bidding on a job, we've had people say, "but so and so said he can
do
> >it for less", and I welcome them to try it.. Sometimes it works and
> >sometimes it doesn't.. Development companies (with higher overhead) tend
to
> >charge more, but you get more too.. You get a stable company (hopefully!)
> >that will be around to support the product, make suggestions that make
sense
> >because they have a large brainpool to feed off of, and also a company
that
> >has a higher ability to be responsible for when things go wrong (and
> >sometimes things go wrong)..
> >
> >My two cents (maybe your 10.00.. ).. grin..
> >
> >Gregory
> >
> >-------------------------------------------
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> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott, Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 6:39 PM
> > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > > Subject: RE: Hotel Booking Engine up
> > >
> > >
> > > Touchy, touchy, touchy.....
> > >
> > > Look I guessed the hours it took, I wrote something similar
> > > many years ago
> > > for a resort here in Australia that had more functionality
> > > than what I have
> > > seen so far, came with a complete wizard for bookings etc.
> > > Mind you I have
> > > only had a quick look, but I guess the support and updates
> > > would bring the
> > > price in line. Maybe you should have mentioned this in your
> > > first email,
> > > rather than for people to try and guess these things.
> > >
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > Andrew Scott
> > > ANZ eCommerce Centre
> > > * Ph 9273 0693
> > > * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 12 September 2000 12:16
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: Hotel Booking Engine up
> > >
> > >
> > > Well instead of writing and saying that, write your own then.
> > > As a matter of
> > > fact it did take longer than that, there has been a lot of
> > > feedback from
> > > hotels who beta tested it. Of course at the end I said it is
> > > negotiable,
> > > $5000 include full source code, SQL scrips, 1 year tech
> > > support and updates.
> > > But hey you're welcome to do what you want on your own time,
> > > just don't
> > > think you need to knock people on the list if you don't agree
> > > with what they
> > > charge. Maybe I will find out in a couple weeks people don't
> > > want to pay
> > > that much and I'll cut the price, don't need to be insulted
> > > on this forum
> > > though.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob Everland
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott, Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:16 PM
> > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > > Subject: RE: Hotel Booking Engine up
> > >
> > >
> > > I assume that the price is $5000 (US), I see about 2 days
> > > worth of work in
> > > this system and don't see why it should cost $5000 (US) when
> > > it would cost
> > > me about $1000 to write myself:-)
> > >
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > Andrew Scott
> > > ANZ eCommerce Centre
> > > * Ph 9273 0693
> > > * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 12 September 2000 12:00
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Hotel Booking Engine up
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone who was or is interested in a hotel booking can
> > > now view a
> > > demo at
> > > http://www.reactivevision.com/products . There is an example
> > > of a portal
> > > site and a singular hotel site. The price is $5000 but is negotiable
> > > depending on what kind of configuration you are looking for.
> > > This is a new
> > > products so feedback is appreciated and fixes and
> > > enhancements can be done
> > > in a minimal amount of time.
> > >
> > > Bob Everland
> > >
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