Right on Rick, How do you motivate people? Show them results, quickly, keep them excited, which cfm excels at. I'd rather grab todays paper and head to the "office" for awhile before I would "want" to look at PHP code, especially if I was completely new.
Build the basement first and give them something to grow upon, keep their excitement level up and they will flourish, push OOP down their throats at first and you will loose a lot of them. And todays coldfusion gives so much "excitement" to new users, give them a flash form and watch them ewwww and ahhhhh. Give them the chance to builder a better web site faster then continue up the ladder from there just as many of us on this list are doing. I would assume that a huge majority of ppl who use cfm, .net or php will never, ever step into a university to learn anything about programming and just because they don't doesn't mean that they will never make a decent web site. They just won't have the opportunity to come on here and be like Micha :) haha jk :| ~Dave the disruptor~ ---------------------------------------- From: Rick Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 4:07 PM To: CF-Talk <[email protected]> Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite? Calvin, In a word yes. I think ColdFusion offers a better introduction to programming than PHP. Even Adobe can't go toe to toe with Microsoft in marketing CF to corporations. Macromedia always said that CF was a "bottom up" product. Well I can't think of a better way to get CF in the back door of corporations than to introduce it to thousands of college students. I refuse to believe that it will cripple them from going on to learn OOP and advanced languages. Rick Mason On 5/4/05, Calvin Ward wrote: > > Effectively, you seem to be saying that education establishments should be > teaching CF instead of PHP? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:47 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite? > > Micha, > With all due respect I wasn't advocating if you read my message that they > only learn CFML. > Most of the university students in Michigan leave knowing several > languages, of course they should know c# and java if they're to become > employable. > I remain unconvinced that learning CF first is going to somehow handicap > them in learning advanced languages. In fact I think it's just the > opposite, > > the quick productivity building useful stuff is likely to inspire them as > they learn advanced subjects. > A great many programmers of my generation first tackled the basic that IBM > shipped on the first PC XT's. Somehow using things like GoTo's didn't > prevent me from going on to learn other languages with more advanced > concepts. > I still remain convinced that CF would be a great first language in > colleges and with a little effort it could be dominant in that role. > Rick Mason > > On 5/4/05, Micha Schopman wrote: > > > > I disagree, in the least because the job opportunities for C, C++, C# > > and Java are much and much larger than those for CF developers. > > > > Second, with C# or Java you learn to work with true OOP in a much more > > advanced environment then CF will ever be. If you for example look at > > protection levels for every action you take, it will force you to think > > about the architecture of your application in a way CF will probably > > never reach. > > > > Even then, I don't know how this is in the US, but here university level > > schools don't really focus on the programming languages, but they focus > > more on managing a software creation process, writing technical and > > functional documentation, diagrams, architectures, release management, > > and then there comes programming. > > > > It is nice if students can get a copy of CF cheaper with a school > > license, but to let schools teach CF, rather not. Every Java developer > > can program CF, not every CF programmer can do Java. > > > > Micha Schopman > > Project Manager > > > > Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort > > Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 > > KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:205796 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
