I didn't quite understand your question, but I'll try and answer anyway.  ;)

 Frameworks are just pieces of code to help you do "something" in your
code.  Fusebox, Mach-II, and Model-Glue are all structure frameworks;
they provide a skeleton from which to hang you application code, and
take care of the "linking stuff together" part.  You can have
frameworks that do other things like caching, entity persistance, etc.

Methodologies are a collection of programing standards that might be
using a specific framework, following a certain design procedure (like
FLiP), certain documentation requirements etc.  Percieved development
speed is governed by the methodology, not a framework.

Using a framework requires more skill to code (or at least more
knowledge - you have to understand the framework), but also makes
coding faster, maintenance easier, and aids collaboration between
developers.

100% separation between MVC is not really possible, in my view.  You
can get really close, but your view HAS to have some coupling with
your controller.  The model, however, can (and should) be entirely
abstracted away from the controller (and MUST NEVER touch the views). 
A prime example is an app with flash and HTML interfaces.  Same model,
entirely separate from the C and V.  But the HTML C and V are bound,
and the Flash C and V are bound.  It's just the nature of the beast.

cheers,
barneyb

On 8/11/05, Michel Deloux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, ok. It depends. Other question: framework and speed dev are the
> same thing? Or not? I believe(my point of view) that using frameworks
> make development harder to code. I'm right? It's possible to separate
> 100% between M V C?
> 
> Thanx
> 
> MD
> 

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