BZZZZZZZZZT :) You get a magic cookie.
I have been voting for two years since I turned 18.
I understand really well what H1 Visas are and how
they work and I do not feel threatend by what they
represent or the corporations that are pressing the
legislation.
My point in saying they existed for long enough to
actually see people leaving because their visa expired
was simply to point out it has not affected IT worker
demaned or affected their salaries at all..
I have followed this topic rather closely and determined
that honestly they are not a bad thing. If the IT market
was flooded with competently skilled workers because
of this legislation then I would be concerned, but until
that situation exists its highly unfair and perhaps a
little biased to say that this is bad, especially when
there is a supposed huge demand for IT workers.
Please do not assume to much about people. I was
actually just a little annoyed at the topics presentation
it IS not really something for CF I should never have
replied, I shouldnt even be replying to this but I am
kind of offended to be used as an example of voter
apathy, I am probably a extremely low percentage of
people who were 18 and voted. And it was a hot headed
way to reply to a post I admit it, but I think assuming to
much about someone is kind of extreme.
Heh, that was incredibly rude Steve and I do not mind
saying so, my post in reply to the topic was just as rude.
Anyways I have been voting for two years, and not that its something
I should be proud of since its something people should
just do but I am since an extremely small percentage
of people under 25 vote.
Jeremy Allen
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Bernard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: OT BUT CRITICALLY IMPORTANT...
>Although the messenger sucked, and his like hurts legitimate dialog, he
does
>bring up points which are not being dealt with by the mid-class workers.
>Many of the proponents of this legislation are the big business leaders who
>hope to save on labor costs without having to outsource to foreign
countries
>or start new operations there. The majority of the labor brought in
>originates in second and third world countries where salaries are much
>lower. Those coming here under the referenced legislation are willing to
>take much lower wages in exchange for an opportunity to work in the U.S.
The
>guys gripe is legit, and has been discussed quite energetically, although
>typically in a much more mature way. The fact that this sort of legislation
>has been around for awhile does not make it unimportant. One of the major
>problems in America today, in my opinion, is voter apathy, such as Jeremy
>has shown. I don't actually know that Jeremy can vote but, you get the
>point. Just because a law exists and has existed for some time doesn't mean
>that it is right.
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeremy Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:40 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: OT BUT CRITICALLY IMPORTANT...
>
>
>One sentence for you.
>
>Be better than the competition and the rest takes care
>of itself.
>
>Anyways.. you must want to be flamed.
>
>Out of coutnry NON native people here in america
>actually pay MORE for school.
>
>And anyways, this has been going on for over six years
>so what again is your problem? Go troll another
>list.
>
>Jeremy Allen
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Clinton Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:18 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: OT BUT CRITICALLY IMPORTANT...
>
>
>My apology for taking this risk but...
>
>Death of U.S. IT Industry: Neo-Nazi Fascist
>Scum Sell Out Native Sons
>
>BREAKING NEWS FROM CONGRESS:
>
>Today, the neo-nazi fascist scum - Congress - passed
>into law the approval for the import of 200,000
>foreign IT scabs.Each and every year for the next
>three years there will be 200,000 scabs imported
>into our nation to be pitted against native American
>workers in the IT industry.
>
>Let's do some simple arithmetic even a neo-nazi
>fascist scum supporter should understand...
>
>200,000 imported scabs / year
> x 3 yrs
>====================
>600,000 Total Scabs in 3 years
>
>Assume there is one major metropolitan area in
>each state. This equivocates to 3,000 scabs per
>metropolitan area!!!
>
>These scabs can work here for 6 years.
>This equivocates to:
>
>18 YEARS OF 600,000 SCABS ON AMERICAN SOIL!
>
>TOTAL DECIMATION OF THE AMERICAN
> IT WORKFORCE!!!
>
>This move will pit native American jobs and
>those of us who have worked our asses off to pay
>for university degrees and then sacrifice our
>days and nights and weeks and months of endless
>post-graduate study and work to be successful.
>
>Within a year we will start getting laid off and
>then the labor pimps will force people to accept
>work - if there will even be a job offer - for
>wages that will be reduced to those of the garbage man.
>
>The scabs get all their expenses paid and their taxes
>are entirely different. They pay nothing for school.
>They will likely pay nothing for housing for their
>first year until they 'get on their feet'. The scabs
>are *supposed* to be getting paid a rumored $60,000
>annual salary which the neo-nazi fascist scum claim
>will not undermine American jobs.
>
>BULLSHIT! It will mean a reduction of wages of at least
>$30,000 a year or more for native American workers.
>
>Let's not be fools and misunderstand my simple scenario
>that is not as accurate as it could be but clearly shows
>the implications and furthermore it is highly likely
>this will never be recinded as it will be tagged as a
> 'success'
>
>Think about this my peers. After all, we've been smart
>enough and motivated to keep this nation running and
>prosperous for the last ten years and now we're all
>getting flushed down the toilet by the neo-nazi fascist
>scum politicians who are obviously getting paid off
>with 'soft money'.
>
>Did your employer contribute to the corruption fund?
>
>I would not ordinarily spam the Usenet but this sh!t is
>unreal. What's the matter with us? Why can't we organize
>and resist this effort to destroy our lives, our careers
>and any opportunity to have families and a life of
>prosperity as a result of our merits?
>
>Don't forget this tonight when you listen to those
>two neo-nazi fascist bastards Gore & Bush.
>
><%= Clinton Gallagher
> http://www.MetroMilwaukee.com/ClintonGallagher/
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